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iemanja

(57,037 posts)
Tue Sep 30, 2025, 05:02 PM Sep 30

Why doesn't Posse Comitatus prevent Trump's attack on US cities?

The Posse Comitatus Act is a United States federal law (18 U.S.C. § 1385, original at 20 Stat. 152) signed on June 18, 1878, by President Rutherford B. Hayes that limits the powers of the federal government and any other government entities such as county sheriffs and justices of the peace that are authorized to form a posse comitatus in the use of federal military personnel to execute the law within the United States. Congress passed the Act as an amendment to an army appropriation bill following the end of Reconstruction and updated it in 1956, 1981 and 2021.

The Act originally applied only to the United States Army, but a subsequent amendment in 1956 expanded its scope to the United States Air Force. In 2021, the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2022 further expanded the scope of the Act to cover the United States Navy, Marine Corps, and Space Force. The Act does not prevent the Army National Guard or the Air National Guard under state authority from acting in a law enforcement capacity within its home state or in an adjacent state if invited by that state's governor. The United States Coast Guard (under the Department of Homeland Security) is not covered by the Act either, primarily because although it is an armed service, it also has a maritime law enforcement mission.


Has this not come before the courts? How is he allowed to get away with it?
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Why doesn't Posse Comitatus prevent Trump's attack on US cities? (Original Post) iemanja Sep 30 OP
Rule of law does not apply to Trump. Irish_Dem Sep 30 #1
It sure as hell supposed to. choie Sep 30 #2
Who's going to enforce it? /nt bucolic_frolic Sep 30 #3
If it weren't for six spineless members of the Supremes Jilly_in_VA Sep 30 #4
Before that, the the GOP Senators in 2021 could have stopped him by voting to remove him... Darkstar53142 Sep 30 #7
According to the Subrime Court "Official" means legal IbogaProject Sep 30 #5
Really? iemanja Sep 30 #6
Basically, ruling was 2024 IbogaProject Sep 30 #12
Right. I remember that. iemanja Sep 30 #13
Several reasons. carpetbagger Sep 30 #8
He's clearly using the military for law enforcement iemanja Sep 30 #9
Spot on leftstreet Sep 30 #11
Duty to disobey unlawful orders cbabe Sep 30 #10
If this president gives an order it can't be doc03 Sep 30 #14

Darkstar53142

(79 posts)
7. Before that, the the GOP Senators in 2021 could have stopped him by voting to remove him...
Tue Sep 30, 2025, 05:15 PM
Sep 30

...after the second impeachment.

IbogaProject

(5,301 posts)
5. According to the Subrime Court "Official" means legal
Tue Sep 30, 2025, 05:10 PM
Sep 30

They had a result in mind so they ruled and decided anything official isnt illegal based on the flimsy reading that only impeachment and conviction or the 25 Admendment or his own demise can stop this.

IbogaProject

(5,301 posts)
12. Basically, ruling was 2024
Tue Sep 30, 2025, 05:51 PM
Sep 30

But they punted partially in case they wish to stop a progressive president.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_v._United_States

Holding

Under our constitutional structure of separated powers, the nature of Presidential power entitles a former President to absolute immunity from criminal prosecution for actions within his conclusive and preclusive constitutional authority. And he is entitled to at least presumptive immunity from prosecution for all his official acts. There is no immunity for unofficial acts

carpetbagger

(5,391 posts)
8. Several reasons.
Tue Sep 30, 2025, 05:16 PM
Sep 30

First, the courts have considered this and at times they've ruled against him.

He's getting away with deployments because: (1) courts take time to hear cases, and lower-court judges are reluctant to proscribe the president directly, preferring to rule and kick upstairs. (2) Trump's primary purpose isn't law enforcement but rather to provide a dramatic display of force to (a) make his base happy (b) dominate the news cycles like a dog humping a tree and (c/most importantly) provoke a response.

If you view what's going on as Trump having military parades in cities, that's not a violation. As to his being an edgelord, that's the responsibility of the electorate, Congress, and his cabinet via 25A to control, not the courts.

leftstreet

(37,861 posts)
11. Spot on
Tue Sep 30, 2025, 05:49 PM
Sep 30
(a) make his base happy (b) dominate the news cycles like a dog humping a tree and (c/most importantly) provoke a response.


Absolutely

cbabe

(5,831 posts)
10. Duty to disobey unlawful orders
Tue Sep 30, 2025, 05:48 PM
Sep 30

Military.com
https://www.military.com › daily-news › opinions › 2025 › 08 › 13 › 4-out-of-5-us-troops-surveyed-understand-duty-disobey-illegal-orders.html
4 Out of 5 US Troops Surveyed Understand the Duty to Disobey Illegal ...
In addition, under Article 92 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice and the U.S. Manual for Courts-Martial, service members must obey lawful orders and disobey unlawful orders.


War on the Rocks
https://warontherocks.com › 2017 › 07 › when-can-a-soldier-disobey-an-order
When Can a Soldier Disobey an Order? - War on the Rocks
Can a soldier refuse an order to deploy in support of a military operation that Congress has not approved? The president's authority to use military force is a hotly debated legal topic.


FindLaw
https://www.findlaw.com › legalblogs › law-and-life › what-is-a-military-duty-to-disobey
What Is a Military 'Duty to Disobey'? - FindLaw
It's generally called a "duty to disobey," and is empowered by the Uniform Code of Military Justice. The UCMJ is more concerned about the need to obey orders, but specifies the conditions when military personnel may feel justified in not following them: If the order is "contrary to the constitution" or "the laws of the United States."


militarydefense.com
https://www.militarydefense.com › military-personnel-must-know-the-limits-of-lawful-orders
Orders Under Fire: When Following Command Becomes a Legal Risk in Today ...
May 27, 2025When Obedience Becomes a Crime: The Military Duty to Disobey Unlawful Orders Obedience in Uniform Has Limits Military personnel

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