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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhy doesn't Posse Comitatus prevent Trump's attack on US cities?
The Act originally applied only to the United States Army, but a subsequent amendment in 1956 expanded its scope to the United States Air Force. In 2021, the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2022 further expanded the scope of the Act to cover the United States Navy, Marine Corps, and Space Force. The Act does not prevent the Army National Guard or the Air National Guard under state authority from acting in a law enforcement capacity within its home state or in an adjacent state if invited by that state's governor. The United States Coast Guard (under the Department of Homeland Security) is not covered by the Act either, primarily because although it is an armed service, it also has a maritime law enforcement mission.
Has this not come before the courts? How is he allowed to get away with it?
Irish_Dem
(77,149 posts)The SC has given him carte blanche.
choie
(6,266 posts)He seems to get away with most everything.
bucolic_frolic
(53,036 posts)Jilly_in_VA
(13,413 posts)we would not be in this shape.
Darkstar53142
(79 posts)...after the second impeachment.
IbogaProject
(5,301 posts)They had a result in mind so they ruled and decided anything official isnt illegal based on the flimsy reading that only impeachment and conviction or the 25 Admendment or his own demise can stop this.
iemanja
(57,037 posts)Was this very recently?
IbogaProject
(5,301 posts)But they punted partially in case they wish to stop a progressive president.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_v._United_States
Holding
Under our constitutional structure of separated powers, the nature of Presidential power entitles a former President to absolute immunity from criminal prosecution for actions within his conclusive and preclusive constitutional authority. And he is entitled to at least presumptive immunity from prosecution for all his official acts. There is no immunity for unofficial acts
iemanja
(57,037 posts)carpetbagger
(5,391 posts)First, the courts have considered this and at times they've ruled against him.
He's getting away with deployments because: (1) courts take time to hear cases, and lower-court judges are reluctant to proscribe the president directly, preferring to rule and kick upstairs. (2) Trump's primary purpose isn't law enforcement but rather to provide a dramatic display of force to (a) make his base happy (b) dominate the news cycles like a dog humping a tree and (c/most importantly) provoke a response.
If you view what's going on as Trump having military parades in cities, that's not a violation. As to his being an edgelord, that's the responsibility of the electorate, Congress, and his cabinet via 25A to control, not the courts.
iemanja
(57,037 posts)He says as much.
leftstreet
(37,861 posts)Absolutely
cbabe
(5,831 posts)Military.com
https://www.military.com daily-news opinions 2025 08 13 4-out-of-5-us-troops-surveyed-understand-duty-disobey-illegal-orders.html
4 Out of 5 US Troops Surveyed Understand the Duty to Disobey Illegal ...
In addition, under Article 92 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice and the U.S. Manual for Courts-Martial, service members must obey lawful orders and disobey unlawful orders.
War on the Rocks
https://warontherocks.com 2017 07 when-can-a-soldier-disobey-an-order
When Can a Soldier Disobey an Order? - War on the Rocks
Can a soldier refuse an order to deploy in support of a military operation that Congress has not approved? The president's authority to use military force is a hotly debated legal topic.
FindLaw
https://www.findlaw.com legalblogs law-and-life what-is-a-military-duty-to-disobey
What Is a Military 'Duty to Disobey'? - FindLaw
It's generally called a "duty to disobey," and is empowered by the Uniform Code of Military Justice. The UCMJ is more concerned about the need to obey orders, but specifies the conditions when military personnel may feel justified in not following them: If the order is "contrary to the constitution" or "the laws of the United States."
militarydefense.com
https://www.militarydefense.com military-personnel-must-know-the-limits-of-lawful-orders
Orders Under Fire: When Following Command Becomes a Legal Risk in Today ...
May 27, 2025When Obedience Becomes a Crime: The Military Duty to Disobey Unlawful Orders Obedience in Uniform Has Limits Military personnel
doc03
(38,580 posts)an illegal order. SCOTUS