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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI Vote We Start Calling 'Antifa' Anti-Fascist. That's What Antifa Stands For. (No, I Have No Affection For Them.)
But MAGA is an American Fascist movement, and I think it's fitting that their sworn enemy is called the ANTI-FASCIST ACTION movement. If the Anti-Fascists are against MAGA, and if MAGA is against Anti-Fascists, MAGA must be FASCISTS.
QED
When I studied the history of the 1930s, there were three factions vying for control of the hearts and minds of the world. Fascism, Communism, and liberal democracy. It was clear that Fascism and Communism were MORTAL enemies, and the only thing they had in common was a mutual hatred of moderate liberals. Mainly because they weren't fanatically nationalist enough.
But in the end, moderate liberal democracy prevailed. FDR brought in policies that blunted the sharpest edges of capitalism with regulations, and limited re-distribution of wealth; and spared us from the ravages of Fascism and/or Communism.
The same struggle is going on today, and we have to remind people of it.
MAGA is a Fascist movement, and Antifa is an ANTI-FASCIST movement with overtones of communism. We want nothing to do with EITHER. But it helps to remind people that Antifa hates MAGA because MAGA is a Fascist movement.

ret5hd
(21,867 posts)AntiFascist
(13,689 posts)I would suggest spelling it out as 'anti-fascist', otherwise you are playing right into MAGA's hands and may ultimately be labelled as a terrorist organization by the Trump Admin, which has very little adherence to Constitutional laws.
The Trump Admin is using 'Antifa' as an umbrella term to refer to all leftist groups that are calling out Fascism in our government. They fear that this is stirring up terrorism against the government, thus they prefer to label all leftist groups as terrorist "organizations". There will always be those on the extreme far left who may pose a terroristic threat, but the simplest way for the Trump admin to reduce this threat is to stop acting like fascists...very simple. Their actions, however, seem to indicate that they are doing the exact opposite, probably because their top priority is to distract the public from issues like what is contained in the Epstein files!
RedWhiteBlueIsRacist
(1,280 posts)Blues Heron
(7,843 posts)intheflow
(29,807 posts)a) an actual, organized collective of commies?
or
b) a concept you embrace but you dont want to be associated with?
Prairie Gates
(6,515 posts)
uncle ray
(3,274 posts)if you want nothing to do with us...good luck finding your place.
ret5hd
(21,867 posts)of being a communist.
Fix that, will ya?
Wuddles440
(1,886 posts)and anti-monarchist as were my parents and ancestors - always have been and always will be!
mike_c
(36,795 posts)Why do democrats consistently fall into the trap of validating a core MAGA delusion? Antifa does not exist. Antifacism is no more an organization than veganism or atheism.
BlueTsunami2018
(4,688 posts)The only reason we got any of those FDR reforms was to avoid a workers revolution. Roosevelt said it himself. The labor movement was brought to us by socialists and communists. It wasnt moderates, it wasnt capitalists, it wasnt liberals. People saw what the Soviets were getting with unions, equal rights and the like and demanded we get the same. The new deal and the great society were simply to placate the white working class and reluctantly given. These things werent implemented by any sense of fairness and progression, they were implemented because the ruling class was afraid of what would happen if they didnt, the revolution we really needed and still need today.
Socialism is the antidote to fascism, not moderate regulated capitalism. Those regulations dont mean a goddamn thing when they can just be removed by the next capitalist administration that comes along. Weve seen it for decades, they started chipping away at the new deal instantly after FDR passed with Taft-Hartley and its only gotten worse. These motherfuckers want to eliminate the safety net entirely.
Theres a reason the capitalists did everything in their power to end socialist systems including starting civil wars, rigging elections, assassinations, death squads, sanctions, embargoes and blockades. They couldnt allow people to see how badly they were getting fucked under capitalism and that there was a better way. A way that didnt include the exploitation of the many to enrich the few, a way that included everyone. Everyone except fascists.
Capitalism is the problem. Youll never have an equitable society under this system. The reason fascism is able to take the hold it has is because theres no offsetting Socialist system in any major country to keep it in check. They dont have to pretend to care about us anymore. Theres no one to point to and say hey, we want some of that!
Liberals always sell out the left to the fascists in the end because protecting capital is more important than the People actually having the power. Its why well never get universal healthcare, education, housing and basic needs met. Everything has to be for profit under this system, there has to be infinite economic growth, the resources always have to be controlled by the rulers.
We should be 100% on the side of the anti-facsists because theyre the only ones currently willing to fight, really physically fight those bastards. Thats where this is heading, thats where we should be right now.
Iggo
(49,290 posts)So I vote No.