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Shrek

(4,332 posts)
Fri Oct 10, 2025, 03:49 PM 21 hrs ago

Nobel winner dedicates prize to Trump

This recognition of the struggle of all Venezuelans is a boost to conclude our task: to conquer Freedom.

We are on the threshold of victory and today, more than ever, we count on President Trump, the people of the United States, the peoples of Latin America, and the democratic nations of the world as our principal allies to achieve Freedom and democracy.

I dedicate this prize to the suffering people of Venezuela and to President Trump for his decisive support of our cause!



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Nobel winner dedicates prize to Trump (Original Post) Shrek 21 hrs ago OP
Is she part of the Trump Crime Syndicate and lives on the dark side? Irish_Dem 21 hrs ago #1
I just want to know if she's real? ananda 21 hrs ago #6
For all we know she is another Putin/Trump puppet. Irish_Dem 21 hrs ago #18
So what does that say about Norway? ananda 20 hrs ago #19
Norway is very foolish. Putin would love to invade them. Irish_Dem 20 hrs ago #20
Thank you. ananda 20 hrs ago #21
Normal cynicism is now way too mild. It looks like optimism. Irish_Dem 20 hrs ago #23
Well, that's why I come here. ananda 20 hrs ago #25
The cynics hope they are wrong. Irish_Dem 19 hrs ago #46
Good question. ananda 18 hrs ago #47
A philosopher who believed human happiness was the measure of all political goals. Irish_Dem 18 hrs ago #52
Here is a recent OP, new DUer who is getting the hang of the correct amount of cynicism. Irish_Dem 20 hrs ago #24
Well, that is certainly dark all right. ananda 20 hrs ago #27
I have gotten close to this scenario as a strong probability. Irish_Dem 20 hrs ago #30
I knew that humanity was descending into mental.. ananda 20 hrs ago #33
I don't think I have seen any of Potter's work. Irish_Dem 18 hrs ago #50
I didn't actually discover Potter till mid nineties or a bit later. ananda 17 hrs ago #58
The Brits can be quite dark in their sophisticated and dry humor way. Irish_Dem 17 hrs ago #59
I know exactly what you mean. ananda 17 hrs ago #63
Yes it is interesting how each culture evolves and excels artistically. Irish_Dem 16 hrs ago #65
Thank you! These are all available on youtube... IcyPeas 17 hrs ago #61
I didn't know that. I got them all on DVD with Commentary. ananda 17 hrs ago #62
I looked at the ending of a couple of episodes... i didnt see any commentary unfortunately IcyPeas 16 hrs ago #67
Yes, you should watch Karaoke first. ananda 16 hrs ago #68
The Nobel Prize Committe Locutusofborg 18 hrs ago #54
I get the cynicism... but that doesn't really make sense FBaggins 19 hrs ago #45
Why would Norway who is an enemy of Putin, give an award to a woman who is a friend to Trump? Irish_Dem 18 hrs ago #48
Maybe for her outstanding contribution toward peace and human rights? FBaggins 17 hrs ago #57
Yes! GreenWave 20 hrs ago #35
Too bad, what a mistake. Irish_Dem 19 hrs ago #44
Too kind... ananda 16 hrs ago #69
Maybe I am becoming numb to yet another tragic farce in the unfolding daily horror show. Irish_Dem 8 hrs ago #72
Maybe, but I kinda doubt it. ananda 3 hrs ago #73
This message was self-deleted by its author wcmagumba 21 hrs ago #2
I smelled this when I saw it announced and hadn't had time to dig into it IbogaProject 21 hrs ago #3
WTF? BlueKota 21 hrs ago #4
She is a RWer. Big privatization advocate. Bush loved her. DU has posts on her long before all this. Celerity 21 hrs ago #15
Thank you. BlueKota 20 hrs ago #36
Yes. She's a wolf in sheep's clothing. I despair at this choice by Nobel. AloeVera 16 hrs ago #64
How do you conquer freedom? FormerOstrich 21 hrs ago #5
Because she's not a native speaker of English. Igel 18 hrs ago #55
Thank you for FormerOstrich 11 hrs ago #70
Perhaps she was not the best choice Bluestocking 21 hrs ago #7
She supports Trump's illegal bombings of her country newdeal2 21 hrs ago #9
Perhaps This Is A Fake Hekate 21 hrs ago #10
a fake what? WhiskeyGrinder 21 hrs ago #11
Someone pretending to be the Nobel Peace Prize laureate Hekate 21 hrs ago #12
unless her account was hacked (very doubtful and she is a RWer herself, see post 15) it is not a fake Celerity 20 hrs ago #22
Not likely Shrek 20 hrs ago #26
Yeah, Cirsium knows a lot about Cha 19 hrs ago #41
Some of the replies aren't too happy Shrek 21 hrs ago #13
TY.. and now I'm wondering about the Cha 19 hrs ago #42
Neither was Kissinger n/t leftstreet 19 hrs ago #39
Odd choice of words DFW 21 hrs ago #8
I read she was in hiding.......................... Lovie777 21 hrs ago #14
Well this is just fawking great. a kennedy 21 hrs ago #16
Welp, the Nobel Committee sure missed this article chowder66 21 hrs ago #17
Well, damn it. There goes another ass kisser. hamsterjill 20 hrs ago #28
This message was self-deleted by its author wcmagumba 20 hrs ago #29
Maybe she can just GIVE her prize B.See 20 hrs ago #31
The Nobel Committee fucked up. Machado is a friend of the oligarchs, not of democracy dalton99a 20 hrs ago #32
Yeah, Whiplash much... Cha 19 hrs ago #43
Wouldn't be surprised to learn that the Nobel Committee itself is Justice matters. 16 hrs ago #66
I had no idea about her RW leanings mvd 20 hrs ago #34
She can eff off too malaise 19 hrs ago #37
Quick now, no guesses snowybirdie 19 hrs ago #38
It's less about who won and more about who lost Shrek 19 hrs ago #40
No kidding we're unhappy. Xavier Breath 18 hrs ago #53
She supports a rapist? edbermac 18 hrs ago #49
Take it Rebl2 18 hrs ago #51
A bunch of her cohorts JBTaurus83 18 hrs ago #56
Sometimes you reach inside the cookie jar tavernier 17 hrs ago #60
She writes for The Onion. Kid Berwyn 11 hrs ago #71

Irish_Dem

(76,039 posts)
20. Norway is very foolish. Putin would love to invade them.
Fri Oct 10, 2025, 04:52 PM
20 hrs ago

But they are cozying up to Putin's pals.

Irish_Dem

(76,039 posts)
23. Normal cynicism is now way too mild. It looks like optimism.
Fri Oct 10, 2025, 05:00 PM
20 hrs ago

You have to think of the worst case scenario then multiply it by ten,
make it even worse. And you will still be too optimistic.

ananda

(33,551 posts)
25. Well, that's why I come here.
Fri Oct 10, 2025, 05:02 PM
20 hrs ago

To get knowledge and perspective on things.

All I can say about this turn of events is that...

John Stuart Mill would be turning in his grave.

Irish_Dem

(76,039 posts)
46. The cynics hope they are wrong.
Fri Oct 10, 2025, 06:46 PM
19 hrs ago

Very much hope they are wrong.

Yes what would JS Mill say looking at Trump, a president of the US, a man whose strongest
value is making people as miserable as possible.

ananda

(33,551 posts)
47. Good question.
Fri Oct 10, 2025, 06:49 PM
18 hrs ago

What can an educated political philosopher
say to a demented toddler with the mentality
of a spoiled two year old?

Irish_Dem

(76,039 posts)
52. A philosopher who believed human happiness was the measure of all political goals.
Fri Oct 10, 2025, 07:04 PM
18 hrs ago

Talking to a man child who believes the opposite.

Irish_Dem

(76,039 posts)
24. Here is a recent OP, new DUer who is getting the hang of the correct amount of cynicism.
Fri Oct 10, 2025, 05:02 PM
20 hrs ago

And I believe is probably quite accurate sad to say.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=20712007

ananda

(33,551 posts)
27. Well, that is certainly dark all right.
Fri Oct 10, 2025, 05:06 PM
20 hrs ago

To me, that goes way beyond cynicism...
looking down the rabbit hole of depraved insanity
where we may now be living.

I still think often of that great film Marat/Sade.

This asylum we call America seems like a meta
version of that play.

Irish_Dem

(76,039 posts)
30. I have gotten close to this scenario as a strong probability.
Fri Oct 10, 2025, 05:12 PM
20 hrs ago

But missed the AI live forever part of it.

But it is not far fetched. Musk has talked about moving mankind to Mars.
So human DNA can live forever. And his techie pals would be the ones going.
Not us peasants.

And the billionaires are not deliberately destroying the US and the planet
without a Plan B. We know they are building their hideaways and safe spots.
And yes they are bored, they have everything. What is next?
Immortality.

The theory has legs.

Yes the combination of the darkest evil and most insane insanity is right before us.

ananda

(33,551 posts)
33. I knew that humanity was descending into mental..
Fri Oct 10, 2025, 05:22 PM
20 hrs ago

and physical chaos, but I didn't realize it had gone this
far already.

Have you watched any of the Dennis Potter TV dramas
from the 80' and 90"s.

I would add them to your watch list.. probably the
greatest TV ever produced. It even brought out great
acting in normally mediocre eye candy like Joanne
Whalley.

Anyhow, one of them, starring the very great Albert
Finney, is called Cold Lazarus. I won't spoil it for
you, but you'll see the connection immediately.

I started with The Singing Detective, starring the
also great Michael Gambon and Patrick Malahide.

All of Potter's shows represent the greatest TV ever
made.

Irish_Dem

(76,039 posts)
50. I don't think I have seen any of Potter's work.
Fri Oct 10, 2025, 07:02 PM
18 hrs ago

I am surprised because I am a huge fan of all British TV productions.
But in the 80's I was working full time and going to graduate school full time
so I missed a lot of pop culture and TV shows. 90s were also a whirl.

I will put them on my winter watch list.

Thanks.

I don't know how far things have gone.
But we are all quite distressed for a reason.
And we know behind the scenes is worse.

ananda

(33,551 posts)
58. I didn't actually discover Potter till mid nineties or a bit later.
Fri Oct 10, 2025, 08:00 PM
17 hrs ago

A friend of mine recommended him, and boy did I get
hooked... just the way I did after another friend recommended
Tarkovsky early in this century.

You won't be disappointed, believe me.

Potter can be dark though, but his stuff is just so
high chakra... it brings the best out of everyone
in every production.

Irish_Dem

(76,039 posts)
59. The Brits can be quite dark in their sophisticated and dry humor way.
Fri Oct 10, 2025, 08:07 PM
17 hrs ago

And they are not simplistic, but complex, perfectly acted drama.

It is hard to go back to American literature and TV after getting hooked
on the British stuff.

Thanks, I put it on my watch list.

ananda

(33,551 posts)
63. I know exactly what you mean.
Fri Oct 10, 2025, 08:43 PM
17 hrs ago

I think drama is England's native high chakra energy.

For France, it's art and architecture; though I must say
their TV has shown greatness too.

All those Walter Presents shows on PBS (Prime) are all
very very good, particularly Astrid.

For Russia it's Just about everything: dance, literature,
and film for sure.

It amazes me how a country that never really made the
transition to a freer, more enlightened form of government
could produce such great art. But there it is.

Irish_Dem

(76,039 posts)
65. Yes it is interesting how each culture evolves and excels artistically.
Fri Oct 10, 2025, 08:52 PM
16 hrs ago

The English are the ultimate wordsmiths and dramatic artists.
Their food is not worth a darn, but just across the channel you have
some of the world's best cuisine. Yes and art, etc.

Yes Russians are such an artistic people, but their art is always suppressed.
Perhaps there is a relationship between artistic expression, suffering and repression.

Some of the 60's greatest music in the US was about youth rebelling and wanting a better world.

ananda

(33,551 posts)
62. I didn't know that. I got them all on DVD with Commentary.
Fri Oct 10, 2025, 08:38 PM
17 hrs ago

I hope the youtube version has the Commentary too.
It should be there somewhere, I should think.

IcyPeas

(24,383 posts)
67. I looked at the ending of a couple of episodes... i didnt see any commentary unfortunately
Fri Oct 10, 2025, 09:10 PM
16 hrs ago

Karaoke is also on youtube which seems to be related... a prequel? One is set in present times and the other in the future.

There's a ton of his stuff on youtube. Thanks for recommending him.

He hated Rupert Murdoch. From his Wikipedia page:

Using a morphine and champagne cocktail as pain relief, and chain smoking, he revealed that he had named his cancer "Rupert", after Rupert Murdoch, who Potter said represented so much of what he found despicable about the mass media in Britain.[33] He described his work and his determination to continue writing until his death. Telling Bragg that he had two works he intended to finish, he proposed that these works, Karaoke and Cold Lazarus, should be made with the rival BBC and Channel 4 working in collaboration, a suggestion which was accepted.[21]


ananda

(33,551 posts)
68. Yes, you should watch Karaoke first.
Fri Oct 10, 2025, 09:36 PM
16 hrs ago

Thanks for noticing that.

Also, I'd love to hear what you guys think of all this.

Locutusofborg

(573 posts)
54. The Nobel Prize Committe
Fri Oct 10, 2025, 07:16 PM
18 hrs ago

Is composed of FIVE people. Blaming the entire nation of Norway for the actions of five people (and we don't know if the vote was 3 to 2 or 4 to 1) is just plain silly.

FBaggins

(28,469 posts)
45. I get the cynicism... but that doesn't really make sense
Fri Oct 10, 2025, 06:43 PM
19 hrs ago

Maduro is a close Putin ally. Why would the opposition that has to be in hiding from his regime also be a friend of Putin?

Irish_Dem

(76,039 posts)
48. Why would Norway who is an enemy of Putin, give an award to a woman who is a friend to Trump?
Fri Oct 10, 2025, 06:57 PM
18 hrs ago

Trump who is an ally of Putin.

FBaggins

(28,469 posts)
57. Maybe for her outstanding contribution toward peace and human rights?
Fri Oct 10, 2025, 07:58 PM
17 hrs ago

Not everything is a conspiracy

Irish_Dem

(76,039 posts)
72. Maybe I am becoming numb to yet another tragic farce in the unfolding daily horror show.
Sat Oct 11, 2025, 04:59 AM
8 hrs ago

ananda

(33,551 posts)
73. Maybe, but I kinda doubt it.
Sat Oct 11, 2025, 10:13 AM
3 hrs ago

All this just wears down your thought process sometimes.

It sure does mine. It's just constant daily shock and awe.

Response to Shrek (Original post)

IbogaProject

(5,138 posts)
3. I smelled this when I saw it announced and hadn't had time to dig into it
Fri Oct 10, 2025, 03:54 PM
21 hrs ago

The West and especially American Oil want to get back into Venezuela so bad. Chavez partnered with Castro to fund an innovative medical school focusing on students of color to put doctors into underserved communities around the world.

Celerity

(52,449 posts)
15. She is a RWer. Big privatization advocate. Bush loved her. DU has posts on her long before all this.
Fri Oct 10, 2025, 04:09 PM
21 hrs ago


No shock at all she is sucking up to Trumpy.

He has praised her before.



AloeVera

(3,816 posts)
64. Yes. She's a wolf in sheep's clothing. I despair at this choice by Nobel.
Fri Oct 10, 2025, 08:47 PM
16 hrs ago

She's a right-wing ideologue akin to maga who wants to sell off Venezuela to the highest bidder aka the US. She actually advocated for the extreme sanctions that have caused so much suffering for ordinary Venezuelans. She is probably rooting for a US invasion and regime change too, she has advocated for it. She is not for "the people"as she claims, nor for "peace", that's for sure.

FormerOstrich

(2,846 posts)
5. How do you conquer freedom?
Fri Oct 10, 2025, 03:57 PM
21 hrs ago

The definition of conquer:

overcome and take control of (a place or people) by use of military force.


It probably is accurate to say that some want to take control of freedom by use of military force so they can contain it....even though I don't think that is what she intended to say.

Igel

(37,138 posts)
55. Because she's not a native speaker of English.
Fri Oct 10, 2025, 07:23 PM
18 hrs ago

Below there's something from her feed, "La libertad se conquista cada dia."

Yes, "Liberty's conquered each day." But it rings false, that translation.

Helpful bilingual dictionary with examples?

"Desde los inicios, nuestra visión ha sido conquistar la excelencia." From the start, our vision has been to achieve/*conquer excellence. (* means 'wrong word choice').

"El chef se propuso conquistar a los comensales con sus platos innovadores y sabrosos." The chef proposed winning over the diners with innovative and delicious dishes. (No, the actual plates weren't going to be delicious, so sometimes it's obvious you have to sort through the possible bad interpretations to get to one that's reasonable.)

And in English, as in Spanish, you can conquer/conquistar a heart/corazon--which by no means entails seizing and occupying it by military force.

Her English was a bit too derivative of her Spanish, which isn't uncommon. (It's why I've always thought translating into your 2nd or 3rd language is a bad idea if there's any other option.)

FormerOstrich

(2,846 posts)
70. Thank you for
Sat Oct 11, 2025, 02:09 AM
11 hrs ago

the explanation....I feel sort of like a heel that I didn't take the language translations into consideration. I should have known....

thanks!

Shrek

(4,332 posts)
13. Some of the replies aren't too happy
Fri Oct 10, 2025, 04:07 PM
21 hrs ago
I didn’t believe this was real. I thought it was fake news. I’ve gone from wholeheartedly applauding you to actually disliking you. You’ve dedicated your prize to a wannabe dictator. The exact opposite of what you said you stood for.

I actually feel I’ve been conned.



DFW

(59,108 posts)
8. Odd choice of words
Fri Oct 10, 2025, 04:02 PM
21 hrs ago

Chávez, Maduro and their socialists already DID conquer freedom in Venezeula.

How about trying to win it back, instead?

chowder66

(11,409 posts)
17. Welp, the Nobel Committee sure missed this article
Fri Oct 10, 2025, 04:17 PM
21 hrs ago

The timing was meaningful. Hours after the Trump administration rescinded the oil license that allowed Chevron to operate in Venezuela, Donald Trump Jr released an episode of his podcast, Triggered, with María Corina Machado as its guest. Don Jr presented Machado’s story of persecution under the chavista regimes as a more acute version of what Trump suffered under Biden, according to himself, and labeled her a guardian of Western civilization like Trump, Milei, Meloni and Bukele. María Corina started by defining the Maduro regime as a gang linked with enemies of the U.S., such as Hezbollah and Iran (she did not mention Russia), the “criminal hub of the Americas,” “a safe haven for all the enemies of Western democracies,” “a true threat for the safety and prosperity of the United States.”

She went on to assure that all the income the State gets from “very obscure oil licenses” goes to propaganda and repression, that thousands of Venezuelan passports were delivered to Islamic terrorists, and that Cartel de los Soles is linked to Tren de Aragua. María Corina said that Maduro is the head of Tren de Aragua, and that he promoted the migration of honest, good people to “destabilize the region.”

When Don Jr asked her whether Maduro opened the prisons to invade the U.S. with criminals, Machado answered tangentially. She repeated that Tren de Aragua has operations in several countries, including the U.S., that it funds the government, and added that Diosdado Cabello “received Tren de Aragua members like heroes,” referring to the Venezuelans deported by the Trump government (it’s unknown if they belonged to the gang) after the visit of special envoy Richard Grenell. Don Jr said that he has met Venezuelans in Florida who escaped from Maduro, and that it was Biden who allowed illegal and dangerous Venezuelans to enter the country. Machado said that “most of the Venezuelans abroad are good people”—and Don Jr agreed, aware that many of them voted for his father, after which Machado agreed that Biden’s was a weak government that allowed Maduro to survive.

While Don Jr kept turning the conversation back to criticizing Biden and celebrating his father, Maria Corina was attempting to present him the wildly optimistic pitch that Venezuela just needs decisive, urgent help from the U.S. to end, “peacefully,” the rule of Maduro, for the benefit of both Americans and Venezuelans. She deliberately omitted mentioning Russia as a backer and insisted that the military is against Maduro, but under surveillance by Chinese technology.

A lot more.....
https://www.caracaschronicles.com/2025/03/16/the-making-of-maria-corina-machado/

hamsterjill

(16,633 posts)
28. Well, damn it. There goes another ass kisser.
Fri Oct 10, 2025, 05:08 PM
20 hrs ago

I'm SO sick of people kissing his fucking ass.

Response to Shrek (Original post)

B.See

(6,951 posts)
31. Maybe she can just GIVE her prize
Fri Oct 10, 2025, 05:18 PM
20 hrs ago

to Trump. Like those two (checks notes) "suckers and losers" who gave away their Purple Hearts to the 5 time DRAFT DODGER.

Hell, maybe Trump MIGHT even stop indiscriminately blowing Venezuelan boats out of the water...

maybe.

dalton99a

(90,645 posts)
32. The Nobel Committee fucked up. Machado is a friend of the oligarchs, not of democracy
Fri Oct 10, 2025, 05:19 PM
20 hrs ago

Oligarchs hate democracy






Cha

(314,891 posts)
43. Yeah, Whiplash much...
Fri Oct 10, 2025, 06:41 PM
19 hrs ago

They sure did... all I'm reading about it.. one Mariia Machado does Not deserve any "peace" prize..

There will be Blowback and the committee needs to explain themselves if they can.

Justice matters.

(8,975 posts)
66. Wouldn't be surprised to learn that the Nobel Committee itself is
Fri Oct 10, 2025, 09:09 PM
16 hrs ago

gaslighting liberals by pretending they don't suck up to billionnaires themselves.

They have to donate a million-dollars worth of their national currency to every winner after all.

Where the f do they get that sheer amount of money to donate from anyway? Norvegean taxpayers??

snowybirdie

(6,391 posts)
38. Quick now, no guesses
Fri Oct 10, 2025, 05:51 PM
19 hrs ago

Who was last years Nobel Peace Prize winner? See how soon you forget. Going to chilland relax, its Friday evening.

Shrek

(4,332 posts)
40. It's less about who won and more about who lost
Fri Oct 10, 2025, 06:02 PM
19 hrs ago

And then she goes and dedicates the award to him.

People are justifiably unhappy.

Xavier Breath

(6,180 posts)
53. No kidding we're unhappy.
Fri Oct 10, 2025, 07:09 PM
18 hrs ago

But I guess the answer is to just shut up already and pickle our livers. We can be such Negative Nancys here, dontcha know.

JBTaurus83

(695 posts)
56. A bunch of her cohorts
Fri Oct 10, 2025, 07:32 PM
18 hrs ago

Went into hiding with the fascist Argentina regime. She is probably no better than the orange slob.

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