From a commenter on Washington Post article concerning ICE

[happy feet]

I thought some may find this interesting from a commenter on an ICE Washington Post article about the official role of ICE. The commenter replied to me with this "And if you check you will find every word of that corresponds with the current Federal law, regulations and guidelines regarding ICE agents. "

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It is a tragedy that so many Americans & commenters here feel free to express their opinions on this incident but are absolutely clueless about federal laws, law enforcement duties, procedures, and limits of authority with regard to ICE:

ICE agents ARE NOT police officers, deputy sheriffs, or troopers. They are not local/state law enforcement. They are not federal criminal law enforcement. They have an INCREDIBLY limited scope of authority, and that scope of authority exists in detaining and arresting with probable cause and/or SIGNED WARRANTS those investigated and suspected of being in the US illegally.

They cannot just pull anyone over for a traffic violation or because their car is in a place they don't want it. They have NO authority to pull people over for ANYTHING other than immigration enforcement- and even then that involves probable cause, such as a known vehicle of someone they have been tracking, or a warrant. On very rare occasions they have the legal authority to pull someone over if they are threatening the lives of others, but that was not happening in this case. They do not have the training nor the authority to pull ANYONE else over. They cannot arrest legal citizens. They cannot detain legal citizens without probable cause to believe they might not be legal. They have ZERO authority to be attempting to force entry into a vehicle- without even identifying themselves, without a warrant, without exigent circumstances such as a life being directly threatened- that is trying to drive down the street without probable cause in relation to IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT.

[Johnny2X2X]

1. Bravo

I am going to borrow this.

[usonian]

2. Have you been reading that subversive work called the Constitution?

As I have stated before.

Laws that don't bring charges when broken, or which are not enforced, are merely recommendations.

It's sadly like the Bible. Many read it and redact the inconvenient parts, like so:

[Biophilic]

3. They may not have the right legally but no one seems willing or able to stop them.

They appear to be able to do anything they want with little or no push back. So why would they care what the law says. Our so called law enforcement people have failed us.

[rubbersole]

4. Often local LEOs encourage them.

Not all, but enough to let this nazi crap continue. It's looking like Minneapolis is the hill on which the feds plan to demonstrate their takeover of "law and order". tsf wants civil war and Minnesota looks good to him.

[Biophilic]

5. A post yesterday said the Minnesota state police association had come out publicly as pro ICE

I don’t know if that is real or not. But how utterly awful if it is true.

[OldBaldy1701E]

8. I was under the impression that the release was from The Fraternal Order of Police, Minnesota chapter.

But, there may be other capitulations going on out there.

[haele]

10. FOP is a bunch of White-wing Authoritarian Extremists.

And they always have been.
They don't care about any law or order unless it allows them to bust someone's head for lip like a 1930's depression era dock worker coming home from work.

[OldBaldy1701E]

13. Preach on! (n/t)

[genxlib]

22. You left out phone spammers

They pollute my phone as much as any Nigerian prince always asking for money

[catrose]

15. Bingo! Current practice is Do what you want until somebody stops you

[maliaSmith]

6. Rules for ICE

Obviously, they're breaking all the rules. Who will stop them when they're packing weapons, breaking into cars, houses etc., without warrents. Who will stop their lawless behavior.

[FakeNoose]

7. This was my point also, however I wasn't stating it as elegantly as this person does

ICE has one job ... to find and arrest illegal immigrants. That's it.

Why are ICE-goons crowding into Minnesota where there are almost no illegal immigrants to be found? They need to be down at the southern border, in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California. That's their job, to protect the border. NOT strutting around as armed thugs threatening American CITIZENS in the northern, midwestern and eastern states.

[k55f5r]

20. It's those pesky Canadians sneaking

across the border to do work Americans won't do. Like tapping maple trees, and harvesting poutine.

[BlueWaveNeverEnd]

9. Kick

[Lonestarblue]

11. They know that Trump will pardon them if they commit crimes.

That’s why we need state legal authorities to step up and prosecute some of these terrorists so Trump can’t pardon them for state convictions. Do Minneapolis police jot care that an ICE agent murdered one of the people they’re sworn to protect? A woman who was shot in the head at close range who was was no danger at all to the agent.

[progressoid]

12. That' all well and good. But the author is ignoring the elephant in the room.

No one seems to be enforcing the limits of authority on ICE.

They appear to be a lawless entity. They do as they please without consequence.

[NoMoreRepugs]

14. MAGAT's are so proud to be so fucking stupid it defies comprehension.

[Kablooie]

16. They don't need the right if no one will enforce the law.

They are totally free to harass anyone and violate any law because no one seems to have the authority to arrest or detain them.

[malaise]

17. Great post

Rec

[Hassler]

18. This is what I say every time I hear someone

Refer to ICE-holes as "law enforcement." No, they're not.

[kbowman]

19. The my pillow guy is running for MN gov

This is probably part of the reason MN is in dump's crosshairs. They will do stuff like this to punish a blue state or try to flip it red.

[dalton99a]

21. And ICE warrants are not judicial warrants.

https://apnews.com/article/ice-immigration-arrest-warrants-093a91cf0d3b2a93247dd83e9e5fac03
Immigration warrants typically don’t authorize entry onto private property

[Martin68]

23. The problem is, whether or not ICE agents legally have the power to beat people up, shoot them, break down their doors

and arrest or imprison them without a warrant - the Trump administration's DOJ will back them up every single time. Unless and until we can get enough defections on the Republican side to start impeaching these insane criminals, we have little recourse other than to observe, record, and share what we witness.