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Miles Archer

(23,422 posts)
Tue Apr 7, 2026, 12:03 PM 21 hrs ago

Ted Lieu sends a message to the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who DO NOT ENJOY John Roberts' "IMMUNITY BENEDICTION."

George Takei

‪@georgetakei.bsky.social‬
Rep. Ted Lieu isn't backing down.

Rep. Ted Lieu isn't backing down.

George Takei (@georgetakei.bsky.social) 2026-04-07T14:30:15.707Z
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Ted Lieu sends a message to the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who DO NOT ENJOY John Roberts' "IMMUNITY BENEDICTION." (Original Post) Miles Archer 21 hrs ago OP
Congress can tweet from their bunkers! leftstreet 21 hrs ago #1
In a US Civil War the military will have to take sides. Irish_Dem 21 hrs ago #2
The demonization of Mark Kelly for saying "YOU DON'T HAVE TO FOLLOW ILLEGAL ORDERS" Miles Archer 20 hrs ago #3
13 yo giving him a bj IS rape!!!!! Clouds Passing 17 hrs ago #19
Unfortunately we have seen that too many in the military have no trouble picking the immoral choice. Whyisthisstillclose 20 hrs ago #5
I guess we are going to find out. :( Irish_Dem 20 hrs ago #6
Like wesley clark? niyad 20 hrs ago #9
I know, right? johnnyfins 19 hrs ago #10
i think they may have a great deal of trouble. But in the end MadameButterfly 19 hrs ago #16
The missileers carry pistols. Marcuse 10 hrs ago #22
Conscienscious objection is one way out flamingdem 9 hrs ago #23
Hoping we could depend on the military to do the right thing but they didn't vapor2 13 hrs ago #21
Miles Taylor was on Deadline yesterday and scared the shit out of me. He said during the first FatAss administration Cheezoholic 18 hrs ago #18
Thank you Congressman Lieu. LoisB 20 hrs ago #4
Dear Joint Chiefs, BidenRocks 20 hrs ago #7
The next administration needs to GaYellowDawg 20 hrs ago #8
Torture is also a war crime... Shipwack 19 hrs ago #11
This is very Brave. Rep. Lieu will be targeted by the Trump Admin. thought crime 19 hrs ago #12
Bravo. No fancy language. No nuance. Say it straight up. Bluetus 19 hrs ago #13
and this is why the administration has been firing so many top military. Fuckers. themaguffin 19 hrs ago #14
A straight talking Democrat. Love it. Keep it up. talking-liberally 19 hrs ago #15
This is a good example of democrats "who are doing something". GoodRaisin 18 hrs ago #17
Exactly! Bobstandard 14 hrs ago #20

leftstreet

(40,851 posts)
1. Congress can tweet from their bunkers!
Tue Apr 7, 2026, 12:09 PM
21 hrs ago

Thank goodness. They've got wifi and can keep us updated

Irish_Dem

(81,507 posts)
2. In a US Civil War the military will have to take sides.
Tue Apr 7, 2026, 12:26 PM
21 hrs ago

The moral choice or the immoral choice.
It is up to them.

Miles Archer

(23,422 posts)
3. The demonization of Mark Kelly for saying "YOU DON'T HAVE TO FOLLOW ILLEGAL ORDERS"
Tue Apr 7, 2026, 12:32 PM
20 hrs ago

The issue here is that Trump is doing an "Apprentice Ratings Tease." We're all talking about genocide in Iran, and not about his punching a 13 year old girl for biting him during a blowjob. WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT, if anything, he'll actually do. But if it's an illegal order:

No, U.S. military personnel are not required to follow unlawful orders. In fact, they have a legal and ethical duty to refuse orders that are "patently illegal," such as those requiring war crimes, torture, or violations of the Constitution, as per the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ).
ucmjlaw.com
5. Unfortunately we have seen that too many in the military have no trouble picking the immoral choice.
Tue Apr 7, 2026, 12:35 PM
20 hrs ago

MadameButterfly

(4,069 posts)
16. i think they may have a great deal of trouble. But in the end
Tue Apr 7, 2026, 02:30 PM
19 hrs ago

they'll follow the orders. It's what they are trained to do.

Some will be gung ho--they. signed up for the military and want action. They are really good at flying fighter planes.
Others will agonize. They signed up to defend their country and do good in the world. They know this is not that.
But if they don't do it, they'll lose their career or risk a court marshall punishable by death under Trump. And then someone else will do it anyway. i predict trauma, future cases of depression, even suicides by soldiers wracked with guilt over the genocide and the repercussions we haven't even seen yet.

But there is no real support for them saying no. The JAG officers have been dismissed. There is no fair tribunal in a military Trump controls. No safe house. No way to rehabilitate the careers that they have sacrificed so much for. No reimbursement for their families.

And we should be careful what we wish for. I have hope that soldiers will say no when it comes to shooting Americans in the streets. But not if the soldiers with a conscience have been removed in the war with Iran.

vapor2

(4,563 posts)
21. Hoping we could depend on the military to do the right thing but they didn't
Tue Apr 7, 2026, 07:41 PM
13 hrs ago

in Venezuela so no hope now

Cheezoholic

(3,748 posts)
18. Miles Taylor was on Deadline yesterday and scared the shit out of me. He said during the first FatAss administration
Tue Apr 7, 2026, 03:10 PM
18 hrs ago

in which Taylor was the Chief of Staff at DHS, said this very topic came up several times. He stated they had to get together and talk crazy fuck down to avoid doing something insane like he has been. He said they openly discussed that if they couldn't talk him down, they being folks like him, some cabinet members/advisors, Head Council, Joint Chiefs etc. they determined it would be Civil War. He was very adamant that they truly believed during his first term we were that close to it. Those "guardrails" are gone. Now he's driving us up the Pikes Peak run of 50 years ago at full speed before there were walls and guardrails to keep the cars from plummeting over the highest cliffs. I knew it was bad but didn't realize it was that bad internally first go. He said there were enough sycophants in place even back then that would've been willing to push us there if not for many such as himself and people like General Milley.

BidenRocks

(3,300 posts)
7. Dear Joint Chiefs,
Tue Apr 7, 2026, 12:48 PM
20 hrs ago

Have you ever heard of Eddie Slovik?

You have deserted our Constitution and are following illegal orders issued by an obviously insane person.

You issue orders! I was only following them won't work!

For allowing a nuclear strike, I find you all guilty of crimes against humanity and the penalty is execution.

Say Hi to Eddie!

GaYellowDawg

(5,108 posts)
8. The next administration needs to
Tue Apr 7, 2026, 01:22 PM
20 hrs ago

Arrest these motherfuckers and hand them over to the Hague for prosecution as war criminals by an international tribunal. That'll be the only real way to get anything resembling justice, and it'll send a message that the United States is ready to rejoin the world as a civilized nation.

Shipwack

(3,070 posts)
11. Torture is also a war crime...
Tue Apr 7, 2026, 02:17 PM
19 hrs ago

But previous administrations decided to ignore it.

I hope we have finally learned our lesson…

thought crime

(1,608 posts)
12. This is very Brave. Rep. Lieu will be targeted by the Trump Admin.
Tue Apr 7, 2026, 02:21 PM
19 hrs ago

Thank you for your courage Rep. Ted Lieu !!

Bluetus

(2,877 posts)
13. Bravo. No fancy language. No nuance. Say it straight up.
Tue Apr 7, 2026, 02:22 PM
19 hrs ago

We need the rest of Democrats on board.

And we can take it a step farther with "Trump will fire you. He will go after your pension. He will threaten your families. We know this. But this is the most heroic thing you will ever do in your military career. And I promise you that Democrats will fight to the last man to get your rank reinstated and all your benefits restored if you do the right thing. We must trust each other. We have no choice."

GoodRaisin

(10,945 posts)
17. This is a good example of democrats "who are doing something".
Tue Apr 7, 2026, 02:34 PM
18 hrs ago

Can’t get much more direct than that.

Bobstandard

(2,310 posts)
20. Exactly!
Tue Apr 7, 2026, 07:17 PM
14 hrs ago

In another thread the poster asked, ‘what do you think Democratic leadership can do? Republicans control the Senate, House and Oval Office”

This is exactly what they can and must do! (Someone get Schumer and Jeffries on the line)!
(Although I was happy to see Schumer say he’s nuts, or words to that effect.).

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