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Swede

(40,026 posts)
Tue May 12, 2026, 09:36 AM Tuesday

"President Trump is in the strongest position of any US leader ever going into a discussion with China."

I call bullshit. The world calls bullshit. Xi is too busy laughing to call bullshit.

Burgum: "The US right now is the most energy affordable nation in the world. President Trump is in the strongest position of any US leader ever going into a discussion with China."

Aaron Rupar (@atrupar.com) 2026-05-12T12:28:53.784Z
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gab13by13

(32,741 posts)
1. When you lay down with Fox's you are going to get fleas.
Tue May 12, 2026, 09:40 AM
Tuesday

The only way Krasnov gets anything from Xi is to give him permission to invade Taiwan.

Didn't China and Russia just give their blessing to a new Iran peace plan? That deal is going to seriously stifle Krasnov.

bucolic_frolic

(55,765 posts)
3. When this flops they're going to get their heads handed to them.
Tue May 12, 2026, 09:44 AM
Tuesday

China is tightening up their tech barriers and promoting their own.

Midnight Writer

(25,720 posts)
7. WE are going to get our heads handed to us. WE will pay the price for His failures.
Tue May 12, 2026, 10:44 AM
Tuesday

I recently watched the US Auto Show and the China Auto Show.

The China Auto Show had amazing technical innovation after technical innovation, mostly about electrical auto tech.

The US Auto Show featured big, gas-guzzling trucks and SUVs, very similar to what they were selling 20 or 30 years ago.

China is moving ahead with science and innovation. America is going backwards to a mythical past that never existed.

Hey Joe

(796 posts)
5. These lackeys have forgotten how to tell the truth
Tue May 12, 2026, 09:51 AM
Tuesday

if they ever really knew how.
It’s gotten patheticly obvious to even their base.
And yet, they plow on….

sinkingfeeling

(58,023 posts)
6. What utter bullsh*t. My friend near Sydney, Australia has paid $0 in electric bills last 2 months.
Tue May 12, 2026, 10:38 AM
Tuesday

Mister Ed

(6,988 posts)
9. Xi could just kidnap Trump, in accordance with the new rules of international diplomacy established by Trump himself.
Tue May 12, 2026, 01:36 PM
Tuesday

I mean, what's good for the goose is good for the gander, and what's okay regarding corrupt Venezuelan leaders should be okay for corrupt U.S. leaders as well...right?

Johonny

(26,573 posts)
11. Trump has no friends, no allies, no clue
Tue May 12, 2026, 02:27 PM
Tuesday

A war he can't manage, an economy failing, and he's looking at a China focused and expanding influence.

Very strong position.

Is on your stomach taking it in the ass, a strong position, because that's Trumps position right now.

Initech

(109,237 posts)
12. Fox News is basically just a Trump cheerleading ass kissing 24/7 infomercial right now.
Tue May 12, 2026, 02:31 PM
Tuesday

This shit is so gross.

Prairie Gates

(8,467 posts)
13. Do they ever say anything else?
Tue May 12, 2026, 02:33 PM
Tuesday

We get it, he's the strongest, the best, the first, the most effective ever.

Who can even listen to these morons?

LetMyPeopleVote

(181,879 posts)
15. MaddowBlog-Despite the hype, Trump leaves China empty-handed and no better off than he was before
Fri May 15, 2026, 06:38 PM
8 hrs ago

The president’s first trip to China was largely a flop. Nearly a decade later, his second excursion was worse.

Despite the hype, Trump leaves #China #empty-handed and no better off than he was before.

The president’s first trip to China was largely a #flop. Nearly a decade later, his second #excursion was worse.

[The Great War & Modern Memory] (@ps9714.bsky.social) 2026-05-15T17:52:46.195Z

https://www.ms.now/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/trump-xi-china-trip-iran-taiwan-declining-nation

Apparently, officials in Beijing were less impressed. Reuters reported:

U.S. President Donald Trump left China on Friday with no major breakthroughs on trade or tangible help from ​Beijing to end the Iran war, despite two days spent heaping praise on his host, Xi Jinping.

Trump’s visit to America’s main strategic and economic rival, the first by a U.S. president since his last trip in 2017, had ‌aimed for tangible results to lift his sagging approval ratings before midterm elections in November. Xi will visit the U.S. in the fall at Trump’s invitation, China’s Foreign Minister Wang Yi said.


Trump reportedly hoped to make some progress on Chinese policy toward Iran, but by all accounts, there were no breakthroughs. He also hoped to advance U.S. trade policy, but despite some rhetoric about vague “deals,” the White House had nothing of substance to point to after the trip wrapped up......

Indeed, the American president who arrived in China in a position of weakness was no better off upon exiting the country. If anything, Trump established a new equilibrium that elevated the U.S. rival. As a New York Times analysis explained:

Mr. Xi arrived highly scripted, leaving no doubt that for all of China’s problems — deflation, depopulation, the bursting of the real estate bubble — the moment when China acts as a peer superpower had arrived.

At every turn, at least as he began his two-day trip to China, Mr. Trump sounded conciliatory, the exact opposite of his portrayals of China in public appearances back home, where during his presidential campaigns he has talked about the country as a job-stealer and national security threat. Mr. Xi, while smiling and welcoming to Mr. Trump, was quietly more confrontational — especially on Taiwan, where he delivered an unequivocal warning
.


....So to recap, the Republican who traveled around the planet to make headway with China left empty-handed, though he was inclined to endorse the Chinese president’s unheard insult regarding the United States — amid reports that Beijing actually sees Trump as evidence of American decline.

Trump’s first trip to China, in November 2017, was largely a flop. Nearly a decade later, his second excursion was worse.

trump is a horrible negotiator and so no one should be surprised
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