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Q: You have been busy organizing an alliance of environmentally-aware groups along the Susquehanna River. Tell us about this.
Chief Paul Waterman: I have wampum from my nation, and from the Grand Council. I wasn't elected for this work. I was selected. And this work is to be Gauyesa Toyentha, or to be 'the messenger.' My role is to bring a message to non-Indian people along the Susquehanna and the rivers that are connected. And my message is to work together to clean and protect these rivers. Then we have a new confederacy.
My goal is to teach people that the Susquehanna was my people's first highway. It is an actual bloodline of Mother Earth. My message is that the Susquehanna is sacred, and deserves our greatest respect. This is why I tell all environmentalists that it is important that we work together. Again, the Two Row Wampum Belt.
Sometimes, things come in three's. Today my European son-in-law, who has recently become fascinated with the fall of the Inca empire, asked me about my favorite period of North American history? Since 1965, it has been the Revolutionary War era in the area where I grew up. More, I've been invited to be a guest speaker in one county over from where I was raised at a celebration of our country's 250th anniversary party. I will talk about the influence of the Six Nations Iroquois Confederacy on the Founding Fathers. One of Chief Waterman's grandfather's grandfathers was among the Sachems meeting to create a unified government at the 1754 meeting at the Albany Congress, as well as in Philadelphia. So I know those stories. And third, the 2026 mid-terms are approaching, and I think a lot about how to get the greatest number possible of Democrats elected at all levels.
I've also had a few people ask me this week about what we should be doing to prepare for the mid-terms? I've been using an example from 2010 that older community members here might remember. The then town supervisor of a community two counties away from where I now live, along with his board member step son, made the national and international news when they attempted to force a tiny Sufi settlement outside a tiny hamlet to destroy their perfectly legal cemetery. I should note that the pair had recently been kicked out of the area's Tea Party for being too extreme. I am convinced that a DNA study would conclude they are the missing link between the Tea Party and maga.
The county and town Democratic Party asked me if I would travel there and help run the then upcoming town elections. This town had never had a Democratic Party majority on its board, and if I'm going to do something, I like a challenge. I wouldn't be satisfied in getting one Democrat on the board, though it would tie the record. At this time, well over half the registered voters were republicans, with independent voters second, and Democrats being the minority.
As a young teen, my father a first generation Irishman from an FDR adoring extended family who thought LBJ would have been even greater but for that war taught me to follow the patterns of voting in a four-county area our family lived in. My father was a math savant, and remembered everything in his head. But I had to save the region's newspapers that reported on the various results. Dad said that even in places were there was an even split between parties, or with a small majority of Democrats, the republican's frequently won. He showed me how their numbers stayed about the same, election after election
.. proving, Dad said, that republicans had a better system of getting out their voters. We must, he said, come up with a system that is superior to their's.
Perhaps because the town supervisor was an evil man (in a non-religious meaning per forensic psychology), a few more people started coming to this town's Democratic Party meetings. This included a couple of registered independents who recognized that the only path to having their voices heard was to actively support the Democratic Party. Both were friends of mine who once were among the hippies supporting George McGovern, but had left our party decades after the 1972 elections.
Now, the party leaders were good at promoting voter registration, attending board meetings, going door-to-door in the village to hand out fliers, and call registered voters to get them out. Still, even if every registered Democrat got out to vote, their candidates would continue to lose. We had to do more. And there were cracks in the wall we could exploit, starting with simply letting merchants know the town was getting a bad name due to this freak and his step-son. That can do damage to the town's economy.
Long story a tad bit shorter, a few of us who were able to took the same approach as did the Peacemaker and later Hiawatha in ancient times. Interestingly, it was the same approach that Rubin Carter took in Rahway State Prison, at a tense time when prison riots were common. Rubin had helped put down a riot at Trenton previously, saving the life of the warden and two guards. He was a
hermit at Rahway, until I told him to take steps to avoid a riot. So he ran to be the president of the prisoner's council, and by campaigning in a specific way, he unexpectedly won.
Now, some people are comfortable just talking with registered Democrats. That is important work. But with the reality today that there are more independents than Democrats or republicans it is obviously essential that some of us do outreach to independents. Not everyone is able to do that for a variety of reasons. Others can. Of course, one must use the basic model of the three groups found in Politics 101.
More, it includes targeting those independents that are influential among their peers. Once you have found common ground with them, and get their support for Democratic Party candidates as our best hope for dealing with today's social-political emergencies, one can be confident they will influence their peers to vote for our candidates.
"I'm not sure everything can be explained. Some things you either understand, or you just don't. Maybe the goal should be to teach respect for other people, even if you don't fully understand them.
Onondaga Chief Paul Waterman, 2001
malaise
(297,844 posts)Rec.
H2O Man
(79,238 posts)I'm sharing this post's link on a couple other sites frequented by old friends and associates. And some new people, who are anxious about the mid-terms. We know that maga is trying to cheat in several ways, and they are very concerned with that. I assure them that the leadership in states and in DC are doing what they can and must be doing to counter that. It is our job at the grass roots level to coordinate with that, by working to get out the largest vote totals we possibly can.
Two days ago, I was in line at the grocery store. A fellow who had been in "special class" got behind me, with one item. I see him & his brother at my neighbor's auto garage, as they are talented mechanics. I've been friendly with them since grade school, as I tend to like everyone. He said no, that he was in no hurry. As I was bagging my groceries, he told the cashier that he was unhappy with the recent rise in the price of the bag of kitty litter he was buying. The cashier said that everything was going up in price. The fellow then said he had voted for the felon, but wished he hadn't. He said there was no need for the war with Iran.
Immediately after getting home and putting things away, I called my cousin. We are keeping track of the number of republicans who have expressed a strong dislike for the felon, for a variety of reasons. That number is growing. I don't try to get them to vote for our candidates too often. I will be pleased if they stay home and sit the mid-terms and 2028 out. Instead, I use it as an indicator that suggests that republican votes will be down in our region in November. This is a positive for local candidates.
Saoirse9
(3,966 posts)because I am not good at this.
"Maybe the goal should be to teach respect for other people, even if you don't fully understand them.
I don't respect trumpers in any way.
Recently I did interact with quite a few of them where our interests intersect. We were stopping development of a beautiful green space -- part of which was once owned by my family. I appreciated the work they did to stop it and I am a little surprised that one of them, a staunch republican, was so willing to help and was the most persuasive speaker.
I want to help persuede independents -- where would I start? I don't personally know any independents.
H2O Man
(79,238 posts)One of the first things I did in the town I spoke of was made clear that not everyone can do every task. If you do not know any independent voters -- and the numbers of them vary from state to state, and region to region -- that tends to prevent you from focusing on them at this time. But working with, or coordinating with your local Democratic Party headquarters will likely include going door-to-door as we enter the the campaign season. One can hand out fliers, or volunteer at booths.
Now, there are others who should never be used in outreach to independents. As an extreme example, those who say they will never forgive voters who didn't vote for our candidates in 2016 or 2024. That is a mindset that should have that person exclusively doing outreach to those registered in our party, which is important. But it prevents meaningful communications with a wide variety of others.
The single most important feature of outreach to independents is the ability to listen. That means listening without thinking about how you might react to what they say -- for reacting is never helpful. We need to respond, and that cannot be accomplished without giving them your full attention as they speak.
Now, I encounter two types of independents. Many of them are old hippies who previously were registered Democrats, but who think the party has moved away from their values. I'll include their families and friends in this group. The other type never belonged to either party. Clearly, having some of our friends and associates talk with either of these groups can only have negative results. I'm not saying they are "bad," but rather that such outreach isn't their cup of tea. They do not have the ability to do that specific task in a manner that gets meaningful results.
Other people can do it. As you well know, for but one tiny example, I can walk dirt roads in my region that others would dare not venture. The approach to the old hippies is distinct from the approach to life-long independents, even for me. Both are paths that some of our friends cannot access. That's just the way it is, and needs to be taken into account, because there are many, many places where just getting our party's registered voters is not enough.
mopinko
(73,905 posts)it was a very interesting convo. he was already going to vote for my candidate, so we just talked politics in general.
he had done research on voter outreach. it showed- doors win. face to face wins.
mail pieces and yard signs do little, tho they do get you some name recognition. phone calls can have a negative impact. (this was early 2000s. im sure its worse now.)
but talking to ppl wins, hands down. i hope to get out and do some of that this fall. i love it.
its almost always great fun, unless u r doing knock every door.
ive knocked on many doors in places dems didnt usually even put up a candidate. man, those ppl were happy to see me.
i knocked many doors for obama in 08, mostly in iowa and ohio, including during the primary. some of those were tough, cuz there was a lot of support for hillary. i couldnt hate on her, i just worried about the slime that i knew wd come out.
but im pretty sure that even if we didnt have their vote in the primary, we had it in the general.
anyone who is wondering what they can do, the answer is KNOCK ON DOORS.
H2O Man
(79,238 posts)Going door-to-door is definitely one of the most important things one can do. I've only encountered a very few individuals who I would not encourage to do so.
One of the highlights for me is when people are used to seeing me at their door every election season. I've taken a number of new people with me over the decades. That included my cousin a few years back, along with a second cousin who has accompanied me over the decades. We ended up covering a 50-mile route over two weeks. We had a great time, and Joe Biden won.