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senseandsensibility

(25,779 posts)
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 02:11 PM 10 hrs ago

NYT headline when Biden added jobs vs. NYT headline when trump adds less jobs

Some things speak for themselves. When Bien added 266,000 jobs this was the headline: Job growth slowed in April, Muddling Expectations

And today when trump added 172,000 their headline: 172,000 Jobs Added in May As U.S.
Labor Market Upswing Continues

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NYT headline when Biden added jobs vs. NYT headline when trump adds less jobs (Original Post) senseandsensibility 10 hrs ago OP
Democrats are always told they suck at messaging, CivicGrief 10 hrs ago #1
It should be common knowledge among 90% of Americans Johnny2X2X 9 hrs ago #5
That's the bottom line senseandsensibility 8 hrs ago #7
Corporatists desperately want... GiqueCee 8 hrs ago #8
The biased US media has a problem whenever they cast a Dem administration in good light FakeNoose 7 hrs ago #22
I would love to see Dems on the news BaronChocula 7 hrs ago #10
Excellent idea and example comebacks. Why do I think those won't show up on the broadcasts? erronis 7 hrs ago #18
Thank you! BaronChocula 5 hrs ago #29
The problem with democrats is that they are too damn realistic. And that's why I am one. erronis 5 hrs ago #30
April 2021 mahatmakanejeeves 9 hrs ago #2
Headlines matter. CivicGrief 9 hrs ago #3
Many people read only headlines senseandsensibility 9 hrs ago #4
Many people don't even read headlines. maxsolomon 7 hrs ago #12
And many people don't listen to a word trump says senseandsensibility 7 hrs ago #13
I'm thinking of Driftglass and Bluegal... regnaD kciN 9 hrs ago #6
Save the NYT for your birdcage liner because it isn't worth much more. littlemissmartypants 8 hrs ago #9
I agree ms.pamela 7 hrs ago #11
Congratulations on making your one hundred post ! KS Toronado 7 hrs ago #16
Don't they shout from the hills about the liberal media?? NHvet 7 hrs ago #14
MAGAts accuse everybody but FQX noise of being Liberal Media. KS Toronado 7 hrs ago #17
You can't accuse Fox of being a biased news outlet - they admit they are just for "entertainment" erronis 7 hrs ago #19
MAGAts will never admit FQX is just "entertainment" KS Toronado 6 hrs ago #24
I sure as hell don't see it MustLoveBeagles 7 hrs ago #20
Every month it was "Is there going to be a recession" doc03 7 hrs ago #15
With weekly "Sleepy Joes" erronis 7 hrs ago #21
Has FAUX even mentioned the viral videos of Trump dozing off senseandsensibility 6 hrs ago #23
Sounds Rebl2 6 hrs ago #25
Capitalism At Its Sickest New York Times The Roux Comes First 6 hrs ago #26
Did you see Democratic presidents boasting about their monthly job numbers, making special statements, denigrating Doodley 6 hrs ago #27
No I didn't senseandsensibility 5 hrs ago #28
The Times is reporting against what was expected . . . markpkessinger 5 hrs ago #31

CivicGrief

(325 posts)
1. Democrats are always told they suck at messaging,
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 02:18 PM
10 hrs ago

when the truth is the MSM twists itself into a pretzel to expound Republican talking points. You might say they “muddle” the facts.

Johnny2X2X

(24,485 posts)
5. It should be common knowledge among 90% of Americans
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 02:44 PM
9 hrs ago

It should be common knowledge among 90% of Americans that the economy just flat out does better under Democratic leadership than Republican.

senseandsensibility

(25,779 posts)
7. That's the bottom line
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 03:25 PM
8 hrs ago

And you will never see that reflected in any corporate media "narrative" about Dems. I think we know why.

GiqueCee

(4,909 posts)
8. Corporatists desperately want...
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 03:37 PM
8 hrs ago

... to institute Feudalism 2.0, and doing anything that benefits we, The Great Unwashed, is anathema to them. They commonly refer to us as their "Human Capital", because we're all just livestock to them.
Democrats need a course correction, and that means shitcanning "being nice to our colleagues across the aisle", and instead, taking the fight right to them. After what they've done to the country, they deserve no forgiveness or mercy, and they will get none. You can damn sure betcha they wouldn't give you any.
I will keep pounding this home: Trump is a traitor, and anyone who supports a traitor IS a traitor.

FakeNoose

(42,693 posts)
22. The biased US media has a problem whenever they cast a Dem administration in good light
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 05:13 PM
7 hrs ago

The problem is MAGAs screaming "fake news!" because it makes their guys look bad by comparison.
So the headline writers' solution is to take good results and make it sound bad or least so-so.

BaronChocula

(4,859 posts)
10. I would love to see Dems on the news
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 04:22 PM
7 hrs ago

"shatter traditions" and go after interviewers for their hypocrisy.

- "I'm assuming you've asked the same question again and again to republicans given the disarray they're in, Katie."
- "I guess you must have been somewhere else when the Biden administration passed landmark legislation. Or are you picking sides?"
- "I'm not here to talk about drama -- I'm here to talk about extreme corruption while Americans can't pay for groceries."

Media folks can be cowed. Goppers do it well.

erronis

(24,678 posts)
18. Excellent idea and example comebacks. Why do I think those won't show up on the broadcasts?
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 05:06 PM
7 hrs ago

BaronChocula

(4,859 posts)
29. Thank you!
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 06:44 PM
5 hrs ago

I think many Dems have a complex about "not seeming too..." whatever. They can't tout successes without saying "it's not perfect, but..." They can't take a good economic headline when we have the White House without mentioning "we still have a long way to go." They don't want to seem too tone deaf. They don't want to seem satisfied. They don't want to seem like they're proud of accomplishments (oftentimes). In the end, all that humility comes off as being less confident and when you aren't confident, people won't have much confidence in you.

This is not EVERY Democrat. But we sure need more of the bullish kind.

erronis

(24,678 posts)
30. The problem with democrats is that they are too damn realistic. And that's why I am one.
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 06:59 PM
5 hrs ago

Perhaps we should never say "but, we have a long way to go" because the audience only wants to hear the positive. And apparently the majority of the audience doesn't mind being conned with tooth fairies and trickle-down manna.

Some of the new younger Democrats aren't afraid to be honest, and I think/hope that that will eventually get the "audiences" to expect that in the future.

Wishfully.

mahatmakanejeeves

(71,146 posts)
2. April 2021
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 02:26 PM
9 hrs ago
Job Growth Slowed in April, Muddling Expectations

The increase of 266,000 fell far short of estimates, though strong economic growth is still forecast for the months ahead.


Home Chef, a meal-kit delivery service, has been snapping up employees at a rapid pace. Despite an underwhelming April jobs report, economists still predict a labor market recovery this year. Jenna Schoenefeld for The New York Times

By Patricia Cohen
May 7, 2021

The American jobs machine tottered last month, confounding optimistic forecasts of the labor market’s recovery and sharpening debates over the impact of federal pandemic-related jobless benefits on the nation’s work force.

Employers added 266,000 jobs in April, the government reported Friday, far below the gains registered in March. The jobless rate rose slightly, to 6.1 percent, as the labor force grew faster than the number of jobs.

The unemployment rate rose for the first time since April 2020.
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The share of people who have looked for work in the past four weeks or are temporarily laid off, which does not capture everyone who is out of work because of the pandemic ...

{snip}

senseandsensibility

(25,779 posts)
4. Many people read only headlines
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 02:41 PM
9 hrs ago

When I was a student journalist in college writing headlines for the college paper they had to be signed off on by a colleague and an editor. They received just as much scrutiny as the article itself. The purpose of the headline is to summarize the article as a whole. If a headline editorializes and then that is corrected in the article, the headline is not accurate.

senseandsensibility

(25,779 posts)
13. And many people don't listen to a word trump says
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 04:39 PM
7 hrs ago

Does that mean we can't comment on anything he says? Obviously, as long as the NYT is publishing news stories, they are practicing journalism and are fair game for criticism from people who care about the practice. Declining subscriptions do not absolve them.

regnaD kciN

(27,723 posts)
6. I'm thinking of Driftglass and Bluegal...
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 02:48 PM
9 hrs ago

…who always make a point of referring to it as “the New York Fucking Times.” Maybe it should be the NYFT going forward.

NHvet

(315 posts)
14. Don't they shout from the hills about the liberal media??
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 04:50 PM
7 hrs ago

Where is this liberal media they speak of?

erronis

(24,678 posts)
19. You can't accuse Fox of being a biased news outlet - they admit they are just for "entertainment"
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 05:09 PM
7 hrs ago

(or propaganda.)

KS Toronado

(23,973 posts)
24. MAGAts will never admit FQX is just "entertainment"
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 05:26 PM
6 hrs ago

"They're the only truth tellers" have heard that so often in my red town.

senseandsensibility

(25,779 posts)
23. Has FAUX even mentioned the viral videos of Trump dozing off
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 05:26 PM
6 hrs ago

yesterday? Much worse and more frequent than anything Biden was photographed doing. In fact, I don't remember him falling asleep in public.

Rebl2

(17,966 posts)
25. Sounds
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 05:42 PM
6 hrs ago

like a really bad jobs report to me. Only 172,000 jobs created. Trumpy should be ashamed.

The Roux Comes First

(2,389 posts)
26. Capitalism At Its Sickest New York Times
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 05:49 PM
6 hrs ago

At her brightest she is gray!! Mostly she's a Sad Sack these days.

Not even good fish-wrap any more.

Doodley

(12,102 posts)
27. Did you see Democratic presidents boasting about their monthly job numbers, making special statements, denigrating
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 06:04 PM
6 hrs ago

the former Republican president's ability to create jobs?

senseandsensibility

(25,779 posts)
28. No I didn't
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 06:19 PM
5 hrs ago

But that should not affect NYT headline content. And at this point, I believe that the next Dem President should do that. Maybe in a less obnoxious way and with truthful info, but expecting the press to point out their achievements is futile.

markpkessinger

(8,941 posts)
31. The Times is reporting against what was expected . . .
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 07:12 PM
5 hrs ago

In April 2021, yes, Biden had added 266,000 jobs -- and it was lower than what many economists had predicted.

Today, Trump did indeed add 172,000 jobs, but it was actually somewhat better than economists had predicted.

Whatever one might say about the NY Times, I don''t really think they can be accused of putting a thumb on the scales for Trump when you take their reporting and editorializing as a whole.

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