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This case presents the Court with an unusual scenarioattorneys for both litigants engaged in similar sanctionable conduct, Sharion Aycock, senior United States District Judge for the Northern District of Mississippi wrote in a sanctions order. This court is yet again burdened with addressing AI hallucinations court filings.
The case in question involved a contractual dispute between lawyer Tom Withers and the city of Aberdeen, Mississippi, over apparently unpaid legal fees (Withers was not representing himself and was not sanctioned by the court). The case was first noticed by Rob Freund, a lawyer who frequently posts about cases involving AI hallucinations. Freund called it a comedy of AI errors, and suggested there were two clients who basically were paying for ChatGPT (or whatever LLM) to argue against itself.
404 Media has repeatedly covered the phenomenon of lawyers using AI to prepare their filings, and the specifics in this court case follow a similar pattern to what weve seen before: Lawyers for both sides cited nonexistent, hallucinated cases while making their arguments. The difference is that every lawyer involved in the case is implicated, leading Aycock to pause the proceedings, cancel the trial, and disqualify all four lawyers involved. Two of the lawyers were barred from appearing before the court for two years; all lawyers received a fine of between $1,000 and $3,500, depending on Aycocks assessment of their culpability for not verifying the outputs of the AI they used.
Torchlight
(7,119 posts)and check the cites against case law. That's beyond sloppy, that's just lazy.
hlthe2b
(114,926 posts)paralegals follow suit... Laziness and incompetence tends to be infectious, I've noticed.
no_hypocrisy
(55,575 posts)Case dismissed.
Hassin Bin Sober
(27,522 posts)
PatSeg
(53,809 posts)kind of stupid. What law school did these clowns attend?
UpInArms
(55,522 posts)in a cornflakes box
PatSeg
(53,809 posts)qualifications are rather different in Mississippi.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(24,753 posts)No, that would be Alabama, not Mississippi.
PatSeg
(53,809 posts)I hadn't heard that one before.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(24,753 posts)A classic comedy.
UpInArms
(55,522 posts)AI is not "intelligent"
AI is a freaking lying piece of crappy software
AI is a meme making toy for stupid reasons
Someone should stick a fork in that shit, because IMHO, it is done
PatSeg
(53,809 posts)before "it is done". I'm sure there will be much more damage to come before it gets restricted and regulated. Unfortunately, the possibilities for AI are endless and most will come with negative consequences.
Sympthsical
(11,221 posts)And bots argue with one another all day.
dickthegrouch
(4,710 posts)I love the two year prohibition against appearing before that court again.
Law schools seem to have failed mightily in their ethics instruction over the last 50 years or so, and IMHO should be rescinding the degrees they conferred from anyone who gets sanctioned like this.
Quanto Magnus
(1,396 posts)for lawyers who use AI....
$3500 is not nearly enough to discourage this behavior.
F that mess....
Ray Bruns
(6,861 posts)
highplainsdem
(63,435 posts)encouraging cheating. (And OpenAI's Sam Altman was already saying a few years ago that using AI shouldn't be considered cheating.)
No one should be using generative AI tools for any reason. They're always unethical to use, and always flawed tech that can hallucinate at any time. The AI resultsare always just imitation knowledge and accomplishment. And that's true whether the genAI tools are generating text, images, video, music or code.
Every single use of them is cheating or fraud, in a way. Every single use of them can result in errors.
Every single use of them is enabled by the initial theft of the world's intellectual property to train the AI, and people are setting concern about ethics aside when they use gen AI.
But people are still tempted to use genAI tools because they think offering AI results as their own work makes them seem smarter or more talented than they are. They're still tempted to use AI because it saves time - at least if they don't check the results. They often don't, and the more they rely on AI, the less likely they are to check results.
As long as society treats using this flawed, unethical tech as a good thing, we're going to see this sort of cheating and stupidity.
GenAI is fundamentally unethical and flawed and hurts both users and those who are expected to treat AI use and AI results as valuable.
Figarosmom
(14,136 posts)This becomes a thing among judges.
WestMichRad
(3,454 posts)But but We built (a) data center(s) just for lawyers to use!
Ford_Prefect
(8,680 posts)LudwigPastorius
(15,157 posts)That's that the night the lights went out in Mississippi.