Iran Is Making Deals With ME Countries Without US Input

[gab13by13]

An Iranian official stated that the US has no credibility, it is cutting its own deals with Oman, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia, right now. It won't make Krasnov happy that these deals include fees that will be charged by Iran. These fees will start after the 60 day cease fire agreement.

Iran found a bigger weapon, thanks to Krasnov, than a nuclear weapon, its ability to turn off or on safe passage through Hormuz.

As I said many times, negotiations between the US and Iran are nothing more than Kabuki Theater.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/gulf-plans-to-cut-the-us-out-of-iran-deal/ar-AA26RcoV?

[Scrivener7]

1. EVERYBODY is making deals with other countries without US input.

[Renew Deal]

2. Trump is going to do the impossible. Lose the war and lose the peace.

[leftyladyfrommo]

4. Oh that's wonderful

[Lovie777]

3. US is losing ground in the ME.................

shithole pretty much loss Europe, China's laughing, shithole's bestie Putin is losing the war he started with Ukraine, but hey the RW US SC justices felt shithole needed more power in destroying the USA in the mist of mental and physical decline.

[gab13by13]

5. Sadly, well said.

How long before Krasnov turns us into one of those shit hole countries he talks about?

Many people are going to lose their health care the 1st of next year thanks to Krasnov's Big Ugly Death Bill, plus he has weakened Social Security and Medicare, Medicaid is hanging on by a thread. People will have to go to AI for health care. Remember the commercial where the guy tried to remove his own appendix? Not so funny is it.

[SamuelAdams]

6. This is what happens when you pull back from the world and look down on diplomacy.

Unfortunately, we might have lost too much credibility to reverse Trump's failures this time. There is no reason for the rest of the world to trust us not to go back to another Trumpy type in 2032 or 2036. Us being sane half the time isn't good enough. We were given a reprieve because of Biden but blew it by electing Trump again. Now we might have to deal with the consequences for the foreseeable future. I hope we have learned our lesson this time.

[gab13by13]

8. The billionaires are rigging the elections,

Putting an election denier in charge of intelligence with no background in intelligence means that our intelligence agencies will be weaponized to ensure that Magats win elections. If Magats get the SAVE Act passed people are going to have to bring birth certificates to the polls.

We are getting closer to becoming Russia where elections don't mean shit.

Kamala Harris won the last election, thanks to Elon Musk, Krasnov won. When I say that, 100 people will call me a conspiracy nut, people can't fathom how evil these traitors are.

[Lonestarblue]

11. World leaders now know that US Republican voters will elect the most corrupt person possible as president.

They will no longer trust anything this country does or any future leader even if it's a Democrat because they know the next Republican will undo everything done by a Democrat. The Republican Party no longer produces any politician who even remotely understands statesmanship, integrity, or honesty. It is now the party that promotes lies, conspiracies, hate, violence against citizens and immigrants, and government run by corporations.

And, yes, Trump and Republicans are quickly turning the US into a failed country for everyone but the wealthy.

[OC375]

7. Just chaotic enough...

I think that was the plan. Disruption of standard business. Now something different can exist. I just doubt it benefits normal folks.

[Emile]

9. Trump screwed up again.

[WSHazel]

10. Iran doesn't have that much leverage in Strait

Saudis have a very modern military and can also hit shipping in the Strait.

That said, Krasnov has incinerated American credibility, and the Gulf States are better off cutting their own deal. Iran is a failing state and there is no reason for the Gulf States to fight when time is their friend.

If oil settles in the $50’s or $40’s, Iran is screwed. Their fiscal cost is over $120/barrel, and the regime is corrupt to the core so the economy will always suck with them in charge.

[gab13by13]

12. Iran totally controls Hormuz

That's why powerhouse Saudi Arabia is making a deal with Iran as I type this. SA is willing to pay fees and in return Iran will grant safe passage through Hormuz and Iran will not attack Saudi oil and gas facilities.

Oman and Qatar are also making deals to pay fees. If Iran doesn't control Hormuz why are these countries agreeing to pay them fees?

Iran went along with the Kabuki Theater negotiations with the US because with Hormuz shut down time was on its side. Iran understood that if gas hit $7/gal in the US for the 4th of July it would devastate Krasnov. Iran also knows that if the US and Israel start bombing it again the price of crude and gas is going to skyrocket.

Invading Iran was one of the dumbest decisions a US president has ever made. Iran is now relevant in the world thanks to Krasnov being duped by Bibi.

[WSHazel]

18. Everyone controls the Strait

It is such a narrow waterway, that anyone in the region can block it, including the U.S.

I am skeptical about the reporting on the size of the fees, because the leakage of energy out of the Persian Gulf has been pretty big, including the cross-Arabian Peninsula pipeline. Iraq is shipping oil out through Syria. Iran just does not have that much leverage relative to the other Gulf States. The Gulf States could also crush Iran's economy by flooding the oil market.

This is a negotiation. There is not a clear upper hand, other than the U.S. has the weakest hand of everyone because our population hates this war, it is absurdly expensive to maintain a big military presence on the other side of the world, everyone in the region hates us, and worst of all, the U.S. has one of the highest production costs of any oil producer in the world. Most if not all fracking wells shut down if oil drops to $50 bbl.

[newdeal2]

14. I heard the same about Ukraine having no cards

Don’t underestimate the underdog, especially when they are cornered and have nothing to lose. Even more so for a theocracy.

Iran lives to fight another day aka they will double down on their nuclear ambitions thanks to Trump.

[WSHazel]

19. Right now the CW is that Iran holds all the cards

It doesn't. It is a failing theocracy whose climate is collapsing and its people hate it. Trump made a mess of American interests, but that does not mean that Iran has more power over the Gulf States than it did before, it just means that Trump sucks.

Iran is in very bad shape economically, socially, and militarily. Creating a toll on the Strait is mostly trolling of Trump by Iran and left leaning and MSM media, but the reality is that all the producers have alternative supply chains, and it is not really in Iran's interest to block the Strait.

[Wounded Bear]

17. Dune - "He who has the power to destroy a thing controls it"

Paraphrased, maybe, but it was big in the first book.

It's like the old joke about who controls the human body, the brain, the heart, the stomach, or the asshole?

Guess who won.

[WSHazel]

20. Iran doesn't have the power to destroy it

All the Gulf States have alternative supply chains to the Strait, they are just more expensive. The Gulf States could also cause trouble in the Strait.

The biggest threat to the Strait is Trump, not Iran. I have always thought that one of the drivers of the US in the Iran war was Bessent's and Trump's desire to boost oil prices. I still think that is true. If Trump decided to blockade the Straight and the Red Sea, then the world would have a real problem, and likely eventually World War III.

[BradBo]

13. Trump did that.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

15. Mr Art of the Deal

is nothing but fart and squeal.

[TygrBright]

16. Why the hell shouldn't they? They're a big grown up nation state with their own damn interests to mind. n/t

[OLDMDDEM]

21. I remember his words. "I alone can fix it." He hasn't fixed anything and destroyed quite a bit.