By Abandoning Zelenskyy, Krasnov Won The War For Ukraine

[gab13by13]

While Krasnov was supporting Ukraine with money and weapons it could dictate conditions for said aid, such as Ukraine could only attack Russia when Russia was inside its borders. To get our aid Ukraine was not allowed to attack deep inside Russia.

Ukraine is getting more help from Europe, without conditions. Ukraine is building its own drones and its own long range missiles.

Zelenkyy brought the war to Moscow. Thank you President Krasnov for abandoning Ukraine.

I mean I am a fanatic about posting from right wing rags, and here I am posting from Telegraph. The thing is, I agree with the article.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/despite-his-best-efforts-trump-may-just-have-won-the-war-for-kyiv/ar-AA26OEsp?

[Happy Hoosier]

1. I'll say this...

Europe needed a wake-up call. But a lot of ground-work for this was underway under the Biden admin. The Biden admin was instrumental in getting the European powers to funnel assistance to Ukraine.

[Lovie777]

2. Yes that's correct.................

I think Ukraine will succeed. President Biden, his administration and congress helped quite a bit and also the solitary of NATO, EU.

shithole and the republican party are a menace to Democracy.

After things settle down hopefully sooner than later, Ukraine needs to be a member of NATO.

But alas, there is shithole/vance.

[kentuck]

3. Interesting perspective.

Trump was never on the side of Ukraine.

[Johonny]

4. In the long run, Trump will have hurt US manufacturing

As Europe turns away from US armaments. Only Trump could have hurt the military industrial complex. LOL

[Vogon_Glory]

5. And this trend will continue AFTER Trump leaves the Oval Office

Whether escorted out by strong young men wearing clean white coats, feet-first on a stretcher, or under his own power. Europeans and other shopping for first-rate weaponry will look warily at the US and ask themselves, “what if the Americans elect another President just like Donald John? Are we willing to gamble our countries’ safety on such a risk?”

I think they’d have reason. Very good reasons. Considering the multi-ring Republican clown shows in 2016 and the antics of Donald John’s enablers and successors, they have very little reason to trust the wisdom of the American electorate or the governance of the Republican Party.

[paleotn]

16. In a word, we are unreliable.

[Vogon_Glory]

18. Indeed. Also, Donnie wasn't the only Russifile in the Conservative (Reactionary) movement

I remember reading a quote from the late Charlie Kirk calling for the US ending its funding Ukrainian resistance to Russian aggression.

I don’t doubt there’s a lot more right-wingers out there who think that way.

[paleotn]

15. And those are good, skilled jobs at good pay with good benefits.

I spent years in the "complex." Lots of 30 year plus folks who spent their entire careers at Raytheon, Northrup Grumman, Lockheed, etc. From the factory floors to the front office. The only really stable part of our economy the last 30 years.

My question is, what CAN'T Donnie royally fuck up?

[erronis]

6. Interesting because it is actually Putin who caused his own demise.

Putin controlling trump's beliefs and actions led to Ukraine breaking free of the restrictions.

Small men, small minds.

[Amaryllis]

7. Oh, the irony...

[Wounded Bear]

8. trump also drove Europe closer together in their own self defense...

Between the Eurozone and NATO - with weak US support - they are much better unified and strong.

Ukraine gives them a common purpose - deterring Russia from westward expansion.

[ToxMarz]

9. Trump is so intent on imposing as much pain on others to show how powerful he is

his unintended consequence is push them to follow the more painful route out of survival. Ukraine would have sacrificed much to Russia to avoid the painful years they have endured but Trump left them no better palatable option. Iran would never have tested their power to leverage the Strait of Hormuz, but Trump bombed the shit out of them for doing nothing, so what did they have to lose. Trump despises carrots, his only tool is the stick. But you can't beat a dead horse.

[wiggs]

10. TSF is all about cruelty and proving power. Key and accurate statement. Not a meme...fact. nt

[LR3]

11. Everything Trump Touches Dies

Including Russia

[WarGamer]

12. What a relief!! So the Russians have left Ukraine?

[BannonsLiver]

14. I know it's been a difficult time these last few months.

It seems like just yesterday you were saying the Ukrainians would be overrun soon and should offer their surrender.

[WarGamer]

17. No skin off my nose...

If no one wants to negotiate, both sides continue to fill caskets.

Whatever.

[Torchlight]

21. Pres. Zelenskyy is in fact, pushing for faithful negotiations.

And has been for quite some time.

[gab13by13]

20. 1,500 cars were lined up to get across the bridge 2 days ago while they still can.

There are still plenty of Russians left in Crimea but they moved to Crimea because of sweetheart deals and more importantly because Putin's promise to protect them.

Russian ships in the ports have moved out, Ukraine controls the air space over Crimea. Russia is moving air defense systems out of eastern and southern Ukraine to reposition them to protect Moscow.

Putin is no longer able to protect Russians in Crimea.

[Junipercity]

13. I regret that I have but one rec to give.

It's intetesting how things work out sometimes.

Maddow was saying that the only solace we have in having a complete imbecile for a president, is that his ability to F things up is somewhat self limiting.

Thank God for that.

[ananda]

19. Wow, it sure does look that way.

If Ukraine and Europe prevail, it also won't
be easy for Krasnov to have influence on the
world stage.

That works too.