Trump's election bill tops 50 Senate votes, but Democrats could still block it
Source: NBC News
WASHINGTON The SAVE America Act to require proof of citizenship nationwide to register to vote and overhaul voting laws has now topped 50 votes in the Republican-controlled Senate.
The bill is supported by President Donald Trump and passed the House last week, meaning the Senates 60-vote filibuster rule is the only thing standing in the way of it becoming law.
The tally guarantees a battle over the bill on the Senate floor as Majority Leader John Thune, R-S.D., has promised a vote. But he warned last week that there are not even close to enough votes for getting rid of the filibuster, despite Trump's calls to do so. If the filibuster remains intact, the legislation will still fail as Democrats are certain to use every tool to block it.
Sen. Mike Lee, R-Utah, the chief sponsor of the bill, is pushing Republicans to use existing rules to force Democrats to engage in a talking filibuster on the floor of the Senate. The idea is to tire out opposing Democrats and pass it. But the tactic is a long shot, viewed by previous Senate majorities as doomed to fail if attempted. The rules make it considerably easier for a filibustering minority to sustain the 60-vote threshold than for a majority to break their will and advance a bill with 51 votes.
Read more: https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/trumps-election-bill-tops-50-210950640.html
Susan Collins is a fake moderate
BumRushDaShow
(167,836 posts)They need 60 votes for cloture (end a filibuster).
So even if all 53 GOPers vote for it, they still need 7 (D)s and/or (I)s to move to the debate and final vote.
But to put a twist on the media's idiotically parroted phrase - "It's complicated". In this case it is NOT "complicated".
BaronChocula
(4,299 posts)as of today (I think). I can't see any more Dems signing on to this.
BumRushDaShow
(167,836 posts)(even if Thune brings it up for a vote over and over)
Wiz Imp
(9,517 posts)He supports parts of it but he said that the parts which requires changes to curtail mail-in registration were "a nonstarter" for him. That sounds more like a no vote at this point to me. Regardless, even he says it will never get 60 votes in the Senate.
bluestarone
(21,814 posts)Consider voting for this piece of CRAP! Just gripes my ass how he's supporting thr rethugs on an election issue!
Fiendish Thingy
(22,627 posts)Numerous bills have been blocked that way, for decades.
If republicans try to change the rules, Dems should disrupt the chamber until they back down.
If Fetterman votes for this, he should be expelled from the caucus after the midterms and stripped of committee assignments.
This will be the ultimate test of Schumers leadership.
OldBaldy1701E
(10,818 posts)Well, that does not fill me with 'warm fuzzies'.
onenote
(46,090 posts)Would you still support expelling Fetterman, thereby handing Vance the tie breaking vote on legislation?
Fiendish Thingy
(22,627 posts)51 votes wont get anything passed except a reconciliation bill that Trump will veto.
If Fetterman helps pass the SAVE act, it will mean he knows his days in the senate are numbered.
If he takes that step, He needs to be made an example of.
If he votes to confirm Trump judges, he needs to be made an example of.
If he votes against removal of Trump or any cabinet members after they are impeached, he needs to be made an example of.
onenote
(46,090 posts)Fetterman sucks, but if he stays in the caucus, the majority leader isn't an R and Vance can't break ties. And Fetterman more often than not has voted with the party on judicial nominations, so you'd be ensuring Trump's worst of the worst would get confirmed.
Which, of course, is your right.
Fiendish Thingy
(22,627 posts)In the examples I described, if Fetterman voted with the republicans, he would be giving them control in the senate,
If he supports the Democratic Party and its agenda, then he will vote accordingly.
BumRushDaShow
(167,836 posts)It can be sorted by chamber & party, as well as more granularly by topics/issues, "overall/"crucial votes" (for the current year) and the same breakdown for "lifetime votes".
SENATE
https://progressivepunch.org/scores.htm?topic=&house=senate&sort=overall-lifetime&order=down&party=D
If you sort by "lifetime"/"overall", you will see a group who is consistently voting the same as Fetterman -
41 Shaheen, Jeanne
42 Warner, Mark
43 Slotkin, Elissa (1st Term)
44 Hassan, Maggie
46 Gallego, Ruben (1st Term)
47 Fetterman, John
You can do all kinds of sorts with this and it gives you a good view of where they stand.
Fetterman is a show-boater so gets all the attention, and there are certain issues that he is hardcore on one way or the other. But there are others there who have been just as destructive and manage to get a pass for some reason (perhaps due to the states they were elected in, although there is no excuse now for Tim Kaine).
So for example, if you just look at this year's session and sort by "crucial votes", your "F" ratings are in order of least to worst -
45 Fetterman, John 1 73.23
46 Shaheen, Jeanne 72.73
47 Hassan, Maggie 71.98
So sometimes one has to really dive into the data to see the reality.
I found this tool a few years ago and it has been enlightening.
Deminpenn
(17,363 posts)Personally, I believe he's an introvert by nature. He marches to his own drummer, though, that's for sure. He also seems very black and white, no gray areas.
I also believe Brendan Boyle, a smart and serious Dem who represents part of NE Phila, will run against him in 2028 and likely win both the primary and general election.
BumRushDaShow
(167,836 posts)Walking into the Senate like this -

IS "show-boating", regardless of his inherent personality.
As I mentioned - he has certain issues/subjects that he is passionate about but otherwise acts as a "populist".
And I actually don't expect that he will run for another term "due to health issues" (and he definitely still has many). So it might end up being an open primary with a whole pile of people who would run for that seat from across the state (and I might expect that would include someone like Malcolm Kenyatta, who is a Millennial and currently a Vice-Chair of the DNC).
Will have to see who runs and wins/loses this November for the contested House seats - particularly those seats we lost in 2024 like Susan Wild's (PA-7). She might end up being a non-Philly candidate (to appeal to the rest of the state) as she is not going to run again for PA-7.
Deminpenn
(17,363 posts)People forget he's a very large human, 6'8 or 6'9. At one point he was nearly, if not over, 400lbs. I've seen large men who dress similarly presumably because it's more comfortable. I think one should follow the dress code of your workplace, but I can understand why Fetterman dresses the way he does.
As for a 2028 Dem Senate primary, Kenyatta just ran for statewide office, aud gen, and lost. The Boyle brothers have been building a base and a plan for their political careers for a long time. The truth is our state hasn't yet shown itself willing to elect a person to the governorship or as a US senator other than a white male.
BumRushDaShow
(167,836 posts)But he DID wear a suit and tie in the PA State Senate as Lt. Governor (i.e, President of the Senate) when he had to operate in that chamber.
I suppose you missed my frequent posting of his and Wolf's campaign ad that riffed on that subject -
He is who he is but he can be conformist if he needs to be.
And I would agree that this state isn't ready yet for other than white male for Senate (the McGinty campaign was entirely mishandled), although no one thought that PA would install a black woman (Joanna McClinton) as the Speaker of the State PA House either and she's a helluva far cry from that ass Mike Turzai.

Wiz Imp
(9,517 posts)He would win easily in a strong Democratic year.
BumRushDaShow
(167,836 posts)Casey would go for some seat!
Deminpenn
(17,363 posts)I think Casey would like be succeed his dad as governor. Casey turns 66 this year, Assuming Shapiro wins and serves a full term, Casey would be 70, still young enough to run for governor.
I had the pleasure of meeting Sen Casey and getting to chat for a few minutes. He actually listened to what I had to say and even asked a question about it! His handshake was one of the firmest I've ever experienced. He struck me as completely genuine, unpretentious and full of integrity. If he decided to run for president, he'd have my vote right out of the gate.
BumRushDaShow
(167,836 posts)But this time, the "wave" was volcanic and resulted in a catastrophic calamity of epic proportions.
Both of them were low-keyed kinds of guys (just like Tom Wolf in fact) - who could sometimes get riled up, but generally avoided the fiery hyperbolic talk.
Deminpenn
(17,363 posts)It's hilarious.
Fiendish Thingy
(22,627 posts)IIRC, Shaheen is retiring, and the rest arent up for re-election until 2028.
Plenty of time to recruit primary challengers.
Wiz Imp
(9,517 posts)I've pointed this out several times but almost everybody seems to ignore it. The Fetterman bashing around here is extremely tiring. It wouldn't be so bad if people were consistent and directed as much scorn against all of the Democratic Senators who vote consistently similarly to Fetterman. As your list shows, there are quite a few. But most everyone here ignores them and acts like Fetterman is some big outlier. He is not.
And if you could go back and look at votes pre-2025, you'd see Manchin's score was FAR lower than Fetterman (so comparing the 2 is ridiculous), not to mention, that Manchin caused numerous pieces of progressive legislation to either never be brought up for a vote, or watered down in order to gain his vote. That never happened with Fetterman during 2023-24 when Dems held the majority.
mikewv
(246 posts)nm
BumRushDaShow
(167,836 posts)so his name and positions are out there WAY more than the others. It's probably because he is "younger" (in relative terms) than the others on the list who are in their 60s and 70s (not counting the even younger Slotkin and Gallego, where that database noted that they were still early in their first term).
Ilikepurple
(527 posts)I do agree that as much as Fetterman draws my ire, he still votes with the party enough that hes more useful as a Democrat than not. Also, its important he stays in the D caucus in this scenario as the majority has the upper hand in committee composition. Thank you and Fiendish Thingy for your short debate as its helpful to bring things into focus.
onenote
(46,090 posts)If he's tossed from the caucus, he'll almost certainly become an independent and the repubs will have an enormous incentive to recruit him to caucus with him, offering him positions that the Democrats are denying him. And if that succeeds -- and why wouldn't it -- the Repubs end up with Thune or someone else as majority leader. And that is a big loss for us if otherwise we would have the majority leader and the speaker, assuming we retake the House.
FWIW, while I don't like Fetterman and would be happy to see someone replace him when he comes up for reelection, he has only voted for one of Trump's second term judicial nominees. Other Democrats who have voted for Trump nominees far more often include Durbin, Whitehouse, Kelly, Kaine, Hassan, to name just a few.
Wiz Imp
(9,517 posts)People may not like some of his positions, but he has voted with Democrats like 80% of the time and has made clear he will never change his party affiliation.
onenote
(46,090 posts)why wouldn't he accept an offer to caucus, as an independent, with the repubs?
Wiz Imp
(9,517 posts)In that case, blaming it all on Fetterman is absolutely ridiculous. As has been shown numerous times, Fetterman's voting record is effectively no different than a number of other Democrats. If you're going to trash Fetterman, you should trash all of those others equally as hard. But that never happens here.
Fortunately in this case, it doesn't matter beccause there is ZERO chance of the SAVE Act passing.
Fiendish Thingy
(22,627 posts)Wiz Imp
(9,517 posts)pass it. (That's what the original article was about). So Fetterman's vote becomes meaningless. There is no reason to single out Fetterman
Fiendish Thingy
(22,627 posts)Wiz Imp
(9,517 posts)SO the article already tells you they have the 50 votes needed to pass without the filibuster. From the article:
So, there is no "unless more Republicans vote no" scenario. The article explicitly tells you Fetterman's or any Democrats vote is absolutely meaningless if they eliminate the filibuster.
Wiz Imp
(9,517 posts)The filibuster is not being eliminated.
Fiendish Thingy
(22,627 posts)They want to change the rules to require a literal talking filibuster, with Dems required to hold the floor to prevent a floor vote.
Wiz Imp
(9,517 posts)Even the Wall Street Journal editorial page says it would be a stupid thing to do.
https://www.wsj.com/opinion/the-hot-air-of-the-talking-filibuster-b3643289?gaa_at=eafs&gaa_n=AWEtsqd8lCdtTDZV9_drwaHxIhVHuA6y_AJjjcOMRNk9lewLHxnn6dtduhPXIPv2NeM%3D&gaa_ts=69960244&gaa_sig=6wG31k_Na8eiuq4_zp59VzxAM3I1xDj4AZRmt0l4Q_RpI9KBusQD8cusML0RhzJbDc3NXG8oJVBeB0la5kfZ0A%3D%3D
As Washington grows ever more gridlocked, members grow ever more interested in testing the filibuster. With most Republican senators adamant that they wont abolish the procedure outright (which is for the good), some in the activist base are instead demanding Senate leaders change it, by reviving the talking filibuster.
Specifically, Florida Rep. Anna Paulina Luna (with support from conservative senators, like Utahs Mike Lee) want Majority Leader John Thune to ditch cloture, the longstanding process that ends debateand a bills progress, if there is not 60 votes. Democrats would instead be forced to actively talk to stall a vote on the SAVE Act, a House bill requiring proof of citizenship when registering to vote and photo ID at the polls. Mr. Lee summed it up: Return to Senate tradition. Require filibustering senators to (gasp) actually speak. Using existing Senate rules. Pass the SAVE America Act. His X post contained (surprise, surprise) nostalgic video of Jimmy Stewart waging his one-man filibuster battle against corrupt Washington.
Talking by turns: Senate Democrats are pretty much united against the SAVE Act. So it wont be one Jimmy Stewart holding the floor: itll be 47. Under talking-filibuster rules, Democrats get two speeches apieceeach of unlimited lengthsimply to oppose moving on to the bill. In a total opposition scenario, thats 94 speeches. If each Democrat spoke for, say, eight hours at a timeeach twicethats about 750 hours (31 days) of talking. Under traditional talking-filibuster rules, there is no way to end this torture.
Then again . . . and again: Democrats can easily take turns eating, sleeping and flying home during this marathon. Only one of them needs to be on the floor giving a speech. The GOP, by contrast, will need to maintain almost all its members on the floor at all times. At any moment, Schumer might demand a quorum callwhich demand 51 senators. Schumer could also move to adjourn, which would restart the legislative dayproviding Democrats a whole new round of 94 speeches. Indeed, any new question or point sparks another round of speeches. What is the lefts top priority in 2026? Blocking entirely the GOP agenda. A talking filibuster provides Democrats a pain-free, headline-friendly way of taking the Senate (and by extension the entire GOP Congress) offline for a very long period.
You also keep ignoring the fact that Republicans have the 50 votes necessary to pass the legislation by simple majority making Democratic votes completely meaningless unless there are 8 of them to brek the filibuster.
Fiendish Thingy
(22,627 posts)I hope they succeed.
karynnj
(60,854 posts)At the time of expulsion, it would be 50 D to 49 Republicans. Shapiro would call for a special election. So, he would remain at 50/49 for months. Unlike MA, there is no provision for appointing an interim Senator or, like NJ appointing a Senator who must run in the next House election year even if the seat is not up.
BumRushDaShow
(167,836 posts)The Senate DOES have a gubernatorial "appointment" privilege (that the House does not have) IF the state allows it and PA DOES allow it.
Amendment XVII
The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each state, elected by the people thereof, for six years; and each Senator shall have one vote. The electors in each state shall have the qualifications requisite for electors of the most numerous branch of the state legislatures.
When vacancies happen in the representation of any state in the Senate, the executive authority of such state shall issue writs of election to fill such vacancies: Provided, that the legislature of any state may empower the executive thereof to make temporary appointments until the people fill the vacancies by election as the legislature may direct.
(snip)
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxvii
When John Heinz (R) died in office back in April 1991, then-Governor Bob Casey appointed Harris Wofford (D) as his temporary replacement about 1 month later, until the Special Election was held (at the-then upcoming November 1991 General Election) to fill the rest of the term (which ended up being for 4 more years as Heinz had just been reelected in 1988).
So there was very little lapse in representation (and Casey was even criticized for waiting that long
Wofford ended up winning that Special Election but lost to Frothy when the term was up and the seat was up again.
karynnj
(60,854 posts)BumRushDaShow
(167,836 posts)(which happened right outside of here in Philly
)
onenote
(46,090 posts)and stripping him of committee assignments. That was the suggestion. And if that happened, he would have no reason not to -- and, indeed, a significant incentive -- to declare himself an independent and offer to caucus with the repubs. He might not vote with them ll the time, but he would ensure the majority leader was a republican and would get committee assignments he would otherwise not have.
Which, of course, is why the suggestion the Democrats toss him out of the caucus is pure fantasy.
karynnj
(60,854 posts)Wiz Imp
(9,517 posts)I believe Murkowski has said she will vote against it meaning 8 Democratic votes would be needed. No Democrats have said they will vote for it (and before people claim Fetterman supports it, while he has said he supports parts of it, he actually said this: changes to curtail mail-in registration were "a nonstarter" for him.) But even if he did vote for it, that's only one. Who would the other 7 be? (Hint: they don't exist.)
It passed the House last year with 4 Democratic votes and Thune never even brought it to the floor for a vote in the Senate. The makeup of the Senate has not changed. I'm not sure why he would bring it for a vote now given there is no chance of it passing.
AverageOldGuy
(3,630 posts). . . when there was no way Trump would win over Hillary.
Karma13612
(4,951 posts)At all.
Wiz Imp
(9,517 posts)Name me the 8 Democrats who are going to vote for it?
Ilikepurple
(527 posts)There are relatively few noncontradictory propositions that have a zero chance of obtaining. In my experience, such language is often abused to allay the fears of children as in theres a zero chance youll die from space junk tonight or there is no chance of a an interstellar object colliding within your lifetime. I find the hyperbole in adult settings is often used to shut down debate and borders on apodioxis. Im fine with just knowing the facts and your analysis of them. Youve provided a strong argument for your position, but it is not apodictic and kind of strange to treat it as such.
no_hypocrisy
(54,666 posts)1. If it becomes a "talking filibuster," more voters will know and understand the consequences of the Bill becoming law.
2. A majority of women will lose their right to vote in federal elections as they will either lack the documents or the time or the will to return their suffrage. Eff You, Susan B. Anthony.
3. John Thune likely is between a rock and a hard place. IOW, he knows this vote won't defy the filibuster as there aren't enough non-Republican votes to pass it. But he fears TSF if he DOESN'T put it up for a vote.
4. If there IS a vote, the Republicans voting in favor of The Save Act will be remembered by their Democratic adversaries, not so much for making the voting process "more fair, more honest," but for keeping women from exercising their constitutional right to vote (both Democrats and Republicans)
5. Thune would want to avoid ANYTHING that endangers a republican majority in the Senate. This won't help.
karynnj
(60,854 posts)While others can be impacted, it disproportionately affects married women who changed their name and who do not have real ID or a passport.
This is extremely. undemocratic and will prevent many eligible people from voting. However, it might not be as helpful to Republicans as is assumed.
a) Although women vote for Democrats at a higher rate, the BIGGEST difference is for single women when women are further broken down by married and single.
b) using a different breakdown, we do better with younger women. I have no data, but just looking at friends and family, i suspect that younger women are less likely to take their husband's name.
C) in past elections, it was often noted that Democrats were far more likely to have passports.
For those reasons, it may be that Republicans will have a common interest with Democrats in fixing this.
The state could create a "citizenship" id in their name of choice with an easy process using their existing documents such as birth certificates and marriage certificates.
At least in some states, the marriage certificate includes the place of birth for both.
lostnfound
(17,462 posts)Easy process will not be created.
Theres also a requirement for purges every 30 days. Plenty of opportunities to suppress the vote.
karynnj
(60,854 posts)I was saying that an effort should be made to create a process that helps people pull together what they need to get an id.
Obviously, the main effort should be to stop this voter suppression effort. However, as it looks closer to success than it did when it reared its ugly head in the past, my point is that a parallel effort, not publicized, should be done to create the best support system to help people get what they need.
You identify many potential problems that people might face. These are EXACTLY the kind of problems that suggest the need for support to keep people registered where they currently reside. Many of the things you list can be dealt with if efforts are made long before the election.
As to the purges, the state can create a process to process the purges. Using just their own files, before and after a purge, they could identify who was purged. They could then identify what happened - did the person die? did they move out of state? In those cases, they should be off the rolls. However, if they moved within the state, they could be contacted to register in their new town or their new address with in the same town. In a way, consider this like how volunteers try to help people verify signatures that are questioned on mail in voting.
lostnfound
(17,462 posts)We are stuck playing whack-a-mole against a well-funded GOP intent on undermining democracy no matter what it takes
.instead of having a legitimate opposing party with whom to compromise, collaborate or co-create solutions. (Ha! Laughable, isnt it?)
The previous North Carolina Democratic governor Roy Cooper had stopped an attempt by the red legislature to steal authority for elections for themselves. A court ruling agreed that it needed to stay in the executive branch.
So the GOP changed tactics, and passed a law to put elections in the hands of the state auditor, also republican, but in the executive branch. https://www.courthousenews.com/north-carolina-governor-continues-fight-for-control-of-elections-boards/
After a separate panel of North Carolina Court of Appeals judges stayed the lower courts ruling and allowed the auditor to gain control over appointments until the appeal is resolved or the court issues another decision, Boliek promptly flipped the majority on the state board of elections from Democratic to Republican and replaced the boards executive director with the former general counsel for the speaker of the house.
In addition to the state board of elections, Boliek also gained the ability to appoint members to county election boards, and choose the board chair. Prior to the change, the governor had appointed members to the state board since 1901.
The state GOP has tried several times since 2016 to secure control over the state board of elections, which operates voting sites, maintains voter registration lists and handles election administration
So, if they are required to purge every 30 days by the SAVE act, and also required to hand over lists to the federal government by the SAVE act, and maintenance of those lists is in the hands of a GOP operator, it will be challenging to garner enough resources to fight the glitches that will delete hundreds of thousands from the voter rolls for lame reasons.
North Carolina already had 100,000 people that the GOP tried to disenfranchise based in large part on nonsense, it has taken many months to partial resolve.
The actions by the Republican state auditor (or by the federal government who may inject themselves in this process) wont need to be defensible; they just need to have a temporary effect that cant be remedied in 30 days.
travelingthrulife
(4,939 posts)travelingthrulife
(4,939 posts)It will be enough to muck up the works though.
I hate Republican traitors to our democracy.
BumRushDaShow
(167,836 posts)When then-PA Governor Tom Cor-BUTT pushed for Voter ID along with the ass who headed up the PA state House who made this promise -
the shit hit the fan.
The suits and threats of suits here in PA made them keep adjusting the state bill to avoid the "poll tax" death sentence (the PA birth certificate with raised seal, has a cost, so they had to come up with other ways to verify and putting in place a special ID if it wasn't a driver's license, etc, like a non-driver driver's license equivalent). The law ended up being put on hold by the courts just before the 2012 election and was eventually mooted a couple years later.
ProudMNDemocrat
(20,750 posts)I doubt it would meet the 60 votes needed to pass this anyway.