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pat_k

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Tue Sep 30, 2025, 11:14 PM Sep 30

I think the Hegseth/Trump MAGA rally staged for stone-faced military brass may be more damaging than anything to date. [View all]

Last edited Thu Oct 2, 2025, 07:01 PM - Edit history (1)

First off, how could Hegseth and 47 really be so clueless about the apolitical professionalism of the military? How could they not know that military brass and other officers do not applaud or cheer for civilian elected officials during speeches to uphold the tradition of political neutrality?

As I understand it, it is a tradition intended to ensure that military loyalty is to the Constitution and the nation, rather than to any specific political party or leader.

I couldn't watch the horror show, but reportedly, Hegseth paused for reaction to what he apparently believed would be applause lines. And 47 nervously said something like "you can applaud... or not"

From these reports it appears they had NO CLUE everything they said would be met with stoic silence. If they had had a clue, I don't think they would have staged this thing.

But how could they be so clueless? It's not like the tradition is some sort of secret.

For viewers who didn't know stoic silence was the norm, watching those top brass listening to the MAGA rally propaganda with stone (and from photos, some angry) faces must have been striking. Particularly when you add in 47's nervous reaction to the silence and Hegseth's pauses for reaction.

I have a feeling that this event may end up being far more damaging to the 47 regime than almost anything so far. I think a MAGA rally stripped of the emotional reaction lays bare a reality. When 47 is met with cheers, viewers who aren't predisposed to despise the man can be pulled in. (Look how people respond! Must be something to it.)

Strip that away, and you are left with a litany of evil, vile, stuff with no "audience response track" to cue you about how your are supposed to respond. I also think the non-verbal message communicated by those stone faces is powerful, by itself. Without knowing exactly why, the "faithful" who watched this today -- or who see clips -- may find themselves troubled by seeds of doubt.

And remember, this is now the third in a series of disasters (the pained looks during his speech in the UK and the muted response to his disastrous U.N. speech).

I'm not quite sure why, but it brings to mind "The President's Speech" in Oliver Sacks' The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat.

If you aren't familiar, The President's Speech is fascinating story of how people with different types of aphasias responded to a speech from Reagan. Some roared with laughter, others were simply bewildered ("'He is not cogent" ). Sacks concludes this:

Here then was the paradox of the President's speech. We normals - aided, doubtless, by our wish to be fooled, were indeed well and truly fooled ('Populus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur'). And so cunningly was deceptive word-use combined with deceptive tone, that only the brain-damaged remained intact, undeceived.


I think this story came to mind because it is about how removing certain "layers" that are part of normal perception can lay bare a truth. In this case, "normal" perception of MAGA demagogues comes with a "response track." Replace that with stone-faced, high-ranking, responsible, men and women -- and perhaps some reality breaks through.

You can read Sacks' "The President's Speech" here:

https://plantainclan.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Oliver-Sacks-The-PresidentS-Speech.pdf
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It damaged them. H2O Man Sep 30 #1
I hope to Dog you are right. raccoon Oct 1 #24
It reminded me of the squeaky wheel tank from his parade. Qutzupalotl Sep 30 #2
Oh no. Now I've got that rhythmic whistle-y squeaking in my head as an earworm! pat_k Oct 1 #13
Me too! Pachamama Oct 1 #16
Too funny!! pat_k Oct 1 #20
That was it! Ruby the Liberal Oct 1 #27
That was great! 🤩 Owl Oct 1 #38
It might be entertaining to have a video of that speech but with the squeaky tank dubbed in for applause lines 0rganism Oct 2 #50
Bet a lot there today are reevaluating retirement. Silent Type Sep 30 #3
Particularly if they have a command that includes pat_k Oct 1 #32
If the military wasn't against Trump before C_U_L8R Sep 30 #4
I'm sure there are "behind the scenes" discussions of how to manage the crisis when 47 actually orders... pat_k Oct 1 #11
The True Patriots there must Cha Oct 2 #49
Speaking of movies in the future... pat_k Oct 2 #52
Trump and Hegseth believe their own bullshit, and they rarely step outside the bubble of delusion. tanyev Sep 30 #5
It is mindboggling that no one in their offices was aware of the tradition of non-reaction to electeds/appointeds pat_k Sep 30 #8
Trump is surrounded by BOOTLICKERS Skittles Oct 1 #17
I am sure they knew about it, but they thought the flag officers would ignore it obamanut2012 Oct 1 #29
Hopefully it was the best thing to show the military what they are. Srkdqltr Sep 30 #6
And the nation. Take away the "audience response track" and the vile propaganda stands in stark relief. pat_k Sep 30 #9
have not seen ONe response by a republican all day. did they all rapture away... msongs Sep 30 #7
Really? Great! I haven't looked for responses, but silence is Incredibly telling!! pat_k Oct 1 #10
Kicked and recommended Uncle Joe Oct 1 #12
When Trump was met with silence from the Military leaders. I got up and danced a little jig. nt ShazamIam Oct 1 #14
When I was in, a lifetime ago Old Crank Oct 1 #15
True, and let there be little doubt that taxi Oct 2 #51
The country is in deep trouble. CentralMass Oct 1 #18
'Could have been an email': Officials balk at Hegseth's generals meeting SunSeeker Oct 1 #19
I think our military brass just got a demonstration of the meaning of "enemies, domestic." DFW Oct 1 #21
They looked weak. Champp Oct 1 #22
If you believe in prayer I can only hope this was a huge wake up call. Boomerproud Oct 1 #23
The more I pray lately... democratsruletheday Oct 1 #25
Yes, we WILL persevere! With Joy as Defiance! pat_k Oct 1 #35
These officers are getting a special medal for yesterday LetMyPeopleVote Oct 1 #26
I think they thought the flag officers would clap and whistle and cheer them obamanut2012 Oct 1 #28
When 47 said "you can clap" I think he thought they... pat_k Oct 1 #37
Yup, 100% agree obamanut2012 Oct 1 #39
Yah, the "troops" always clap and cheer at "get together" haele Oct 1 #41
This message was self-deleted by its author 58Sunliner Oct 1 #30
By all reports, behind the scenes at DoD, their is... pat_k Oct 1 #34
TY the info. electric_blue68 Oct 1 #40
The GOP political BS is affecting the mission the GOP wants the military to do haele Oct 1 #42
Idiots really thought they had a baked-in audience approval Torchlight Oct 1 #31
Hegseths FAFO met with silence BlueWaveNeverEnd Oct 1 #33
And therein lies the stupid ignorance. pat_k Oct 1 #36
Agree that this is serious damage blubunyip Oct 1 #43
Even if he was in pre-alzheimer's, Ronald Reagan AND/OR his advisors Jack Valentino Oct 1 #44
I hear you. I think we all know what deep trouble the nation is in with this man. pat_k Oct 1 #47
This message was self-deleted by its author vapor2 Oct 1 #45
It was, but I don't think many people actually saw it. pat_k Oct 1 #46
That's what I've been hoping Cha Oct 2 #48
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