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betsuni

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53. Yes, that's the plan! The base of the party knows it's ridiculous, why the base is redefined
Wed Oct 8, 2025, 01:06 PM
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as democratic socialists. Why it's repeated millions of times that Democrats ignore the working class. Why the true history and base and the big tent which is the party is erased.

The story goes that voters are disgusted because the mean old corrupt Democratic Establishment status quo wealthy elites distract voters with identity politics while doing evil neoliberal unregulated capitalist policies for oligarchs, billionaires, corporations, donors. Diehards believe Democrats are the true roadblock to progress, more dangerous than Trump, wouldn't know inequality if it sneaked up and bit them in the hinder.

And that the majority of Americans, including Republican voters suffering from the economic anxiety caused by Democrats, are secretly socialists yearning for populist economic revolution against the 1% (they just don't know they're socialists yet, but all you have to do is go around the country giving rallies explaining they're voting against their own economic interests and they'll stop it and vote for progressive populists who will take over the Democratic Party -- why Democrats are constantly bashed for bad messaging -- it's easy, just tell them (there are simple solutions for complex problems but Democrats are too dumb or corrupt to do them)).

Lots of recycled stuff from the '60s that sounds new and exciting to some, lots of diabolical fictional Democratic enemies to hate and make one feel superior and righteous in the populist tradition, your own language of redefined words and slogans that group insiders understand.

With elections often decided by few votes, the damage to the party is terrible and easily used to attack from all directions and isn't gong away. And it started for nothing except ego. I don't know why this isn't studied more. I find it fascinating. Why did anyone fall for it? Stunningly ignorant of the United States -- a Both Sides that is actually true.

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Democratic Socialism [View all] LyfeTimeDem Tuesday OP
if ya can't succeed with your own beliefs, sink your claws into an available other..... nt msongs Tuesday #1
So is mine. OldBaldy1701E Tuesday #2
well I see no evidence that LyfeTimeDem Tuesday #3
Question... when was capitalism successfully regulated? (n/t) OldBaldy1701E Tuesday #5
Capitalism is currently pretty well regulated in the Scandinavian countries Fiendish Thingy Tuesday #9
Since I do not know the workings of European commerce, I will take your word on their successes. OldBaldy1701E Wednesday #45
In Scandinavian countries, people come before profits. Fiendish Thingy Wednesday #47
for 50 yrs in the U.S. LyfeTimeDem Tuesday #11
I don't know that one. OldBaldy1701E Wednesday #46
EXACTLY my point! LyfeTimeDem Wednesday #48
Capitalism is successful in generating wealth for the few iemanja Tuesday #8
Sounds like what happens in the Socialist LyfeTimeDem Tuesday #12
I suggest you read Marx iemanja Tuesday #13
what makes you think I don't know LyfeTimeDem Tuesday #14
Your post gave me that impression iemanja Tuesday #15
then you are not reading my posts LyfeTimeDem Tuesday #16
Dont need to LyfeTimeDem Tuesday #18
Most folks don't know the difference between Social Democracy and Democratic Socialism Fiendish Thingy Tuesday #4
nope I do not LyfeTimeDem Tuesday #6
Thom Hartmann is a member of Democratic Underground. Emile Wednesday #44
and? LyfeTimeDem Wednesday #49
I'm not sure you know the meaning of "gaslighting" muriel_volestrangler Wednesday #54
If the philosophy can't be digested to a sentence mr715 Tuesday #35
Sounds like you're a libertarian. Nt Fiendish Thingy Tuesday #36
Ew mr715 Tuesday #37
Neoliberalism is a failed economic ideology Fiendish Thingy Tuesday #38
Maybe I'm mislabeling myself mr715 Wednesday #52
Democrats aren't neoliberals, it's a Both Sides insult, "an attempt to win an argument with an epithet." betsuni Wednesday #43
is it a "mess"? LyfeTimeDem Wednesday #50
And yet democracies can fall prey to demagogues mr715 Wednesday #51
Adam Smith the father of market capitalism in his book multigraincracker Tuesday #7
regulated.. but not eliminated... LyfeTimeDem Tuesday #19
According to Multigrain Economics. multigraincracker Tuesday #25
where??? LyfeTimeDem Tuesday #26
Quiet a few. multigraincracker Tuesday #27
so A* business is the proof? LyfeTimeDem Tuesday #32
Even a list of the top 100 worker owned businesses. multigraincracker Tuesday #28
which is where? LyfeTimeDem Tuesday #33
Yeah, I don't like DSA is Cha Tuesday #10
Very welcome LyfeTimeDem Tuesday #17
As Cha said, thanks for your OP, LyfeTimeDem Hekate Tuesday #20
and its straight up LyfeTimeDem Tuesday #22
Well, tread lightly. Feelings are high these days. Hekate Tuesday #30
obviously, my own feelings are high. LyfeTimeDem Tuesday #34
Well, capitalism IS an oppressive system thought crime Tuesday #21
it IS to most Democrats LyfeTimeDem Tuesday #23
If you are a Social Democrat then you, too, want to temper Capitalism's oppression thought crime Wednesday #56
This message was self-deleted by its author LyfeTimeDem Tuesday #24
Is DSA taking over the Democratic Party? leftstreet Tuesday #29
according to one of its LyfeTimeDem Tuesday #31
I see people describing it as economic equality, no understanding of regulated or unregulated capitalism. betsuni Wednesday #39
What is he talking about about? LyfeTimeDem Wednesday #40
That's what I said. betsuni Wednesday #41
Bernie Sanders doesn't get to make a LyfeTimeDem Wednesday #42
Yes, that's the plan! The base of the party knows it's ridiculous, why the base is redefined betsuni Wednesday #53
Mamdani is going to be a great NY City Mayor! Emile Wednesday #55
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