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gulliver

(13,680 posts)
18. I agree, but it was a provocation.
Wed Nov 26, 2025, 01:20 PM
Nov 26

In context, the ad telling "the troops" (and the whole world, including Trump) that they don't have to follow "illegal orders" is a backhanded accusation. I assume everyone realizes that. It strongly implies that Trump has or is likely to issue illegal orders.

Pro: Standing up to Trump. Drawing a line in the sand.
Con: He'll make hay out of it in predictable ways as he is now.

Giving this "reminder" to the troops about illegal orders is also, intentionally or not, a minor condescending lecture and threat to the troops. "You may not know this, but you don't have to follow illegal orders." (Translation: "You might be fairly ignorant of your basic duty, so I feel it is necessary to remind you. Also, we're watching you in case you do something we consider illegal. You'll have no protection from prosecution." )

Pro: Some few military folks may not be fully aware of their responsibilities, and this reminds them. Not a very big pro.
Con: Could alienate military votes and support

To me, it's not proving to be very effective so far. Trump et al have, as usual, gone off the rails, but they've gotten folks used to that. It gets them eyeballs for their messages (earned media). They have the "bully" pulpit. I'm a big fan of Kelly and Slotkin, so I hope it plays out well.

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I remember the My Lai massacre, it horrified me to think that US soldiers could commit MarineCombatEngineer Nov 26 #1
Many of us do remember, but we're starting to age out. It's important not to forget. MineralMan Nov 26 #3
I remember it well PatSeg Nov 26 #10
Ha! Good names. Joinfortmill Nov 26 #13
Great actors, Fox, Penn, Harvey, etc. MarineCombatEngineer Nov 26 #14
After Calley's 1971 sentence to life imprisonment, Nixon ordered the Army to transfer him from the military stockade sop Nov 26 #2
Yes. That was yet another misjudgment by a Republican President. MineralMan Nov 26 #4
I remember when the Hersh story came out - it was horrifying. Ocelot II Nov 26 #5
Yes, exactly! There is a measure of contempt for locals that creeps in MineralMan Nov 26 #9
And this mis-administration is working on contempt for others within this country. erronis Nov 26 #19
All trump has to do is keep his mouth shut Turbineguy Nov 26 #6
We studied and dissected that incident for a couple long days ... MiHale Nov 26 #7
Another good link...more in depth. MiHale Nov 26 #8
The S**t usually hits the fan with the order to fire on your own countrymen. Mustellus Nov 26 #11
I remember My Lai, but my first thought was Kent State. MLWR Nov 26 #15
Excellent point Joinfortmill Nov 26 #12
Illegal orders Cirsium Nov 26 #16
"On November 12, 1969, Seymour Hersh broke the My Lai massacre story" -- Great DU post erronis Nov 26 #17
I agree, but it was a provocation. gulliver Nov 26 #18
I don't know as much about this as I should. ShazzieB Nov 26 #20
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