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11. The leaders running the USA into the ground

Fri Nov 28, 2025, 03:48 PM

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mostly have college degrees. Even that moron in the White House does. Apparently business courses don't teach that tariffs are taxes or that a 100% decrease leaves you with nothing.

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Poll: In a dramatic shift, Americans no longer see four-year college degrees as worth the cost [View all] Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 28 OP

Given the outrageous cost of the tuition I can see why they would think that. drray23 Nov 28 #1

but community colleges in general have many more classes relevant to various 'trades', Jack Valentino Nov 29 #88

There goes critical thinking skills, right out the window SheltieLover Nov 28 #2

Exactly. They will know zero history, have zero writing and critical thinking skills,... hlthe2b Nov 28 #5

They will be gullible milestogo Nov 28 #14

Not to mention history & civics! SheltieLover Nov 28 #15

Critical thinking concludes college is too expensive leftstreet Nov 28 #8

You don't need a four year degree for any of that fujiyamasan Nov 29 #22

Critical thinking is really a more advanced skill. Happy Hoosier Nov 29 #32

Agree - best English teacher I had in my life womanofthehills Nov 29 #90

4 year college should be free. SSJVegeta Nov 28 #3

I have a MS PCB66 Nov 29 #38

Yet they are statistically more likely to make better decisions and vote the right way SSJVegeta Nov 29 #42

I don't know PCB66 Nov 29 #71

Trust me Ive known a lot of really deluded highly educated people too SSJVegeta Nov 29 #76

It's easier if you can get people to want being poorly educated. Turbineguy Nov 28 #4

Anti-intellectualism is a cornerstone Happy Hoosier Nov 29 #33

Yes, you can fool some of the people all of the time. thought crime Nov 29 #81

Can he get us a discount?? The Madcap Nov 28 #6

Ummmmm...... Lovie777 Nov 28 #7

The leaders running the USA into the ground Progressive dog Nov 28 #11

Oh, They Teach That ProfessorGAC Nov 29 #29

I like to ask my economics colleagues if they have figured out tariffs yet Redleg Nov 29 #51

Beauty! ProfessorGAC Nov 29 #58

I was fortunate to have some good econ professors in grad school Redleg Nov 29 #59

Good To Hear ProfessorGAC Nov 29 #65

You want to improve your life and get somewhere, but it's survival-of-the-fittest up top bucolic_frolic Nov 28 #9

I can relate to that DFW Nov 29 #26

About time someone realized most 4-year degrees are worthless Lettuce Be Nov 28 #10

Yes indeed and it is a rational conclusion given the current moniss Nov 28 #12

I don't know what a college degree is worth in the age of AI newdeal2 Nov 28 #13

$1.5 Million Johnny2X2X Nov 29 #34

So far, AI can't really replace thinking. Happy Hoosier Nov 29 #35

There is job loss already newdeal2 Nov 29 #43

In the age of AI, a Math degree is Golden-$$. thought crime Nov 29 #82

Congratulations, Higher Ed. You've priced yourself out of students! intheflow Nov 28 #16

Prices are out of control... Happy Hoosier Nov 29 #36

Decreased state and federal funds... róisín_dubh Nov 29 #44

Yet, blue states don't seem to be any cheaper than red states n/t MichMan Nov 29 #61

Yes. I did mention Federal funding as well. róisín_dubh Nov 29 #87

That's 100% true in the state of Wisconsin. Greybnk48 Nov 29 #62

Thank you! I used to work at a community college, and that was the case there. raccoon Nov 29 #66

That means that people do not understand murielm99 Nov 28 #17

seeing how many college-educated people are complete idiots Skittles Nov 29 #23

C's get degrees. Happy Hoosier Nov 29 #37

Unlike Lake Wobegon where everyone is above average MichMan Nov 29 #89

We're about 20-30 years late on this one Sympthsical Nov 28 #18

+1 leftstreet Nov 28 #19

Yes, What Trump is doing is wrong but I have a hard time supporting JI7 Nov 29 #25

And it's an important distinction Sympthsical Nov 29 #28

I think you're wrong here.... Happy Hoosier Nov 29 #39

Yup, especially the last part. róisín_dubh Nov 29 #45

What's your disagreement specifically? Sympthsical Nov 29 #46

People need to be realistic JI7 Nov 28 #20

There's no free lunch here fujiyamasan Nov 29 #21

Okay, there is no comparison mr715 Nov 29 #56

I never would have gone to college forty years ago. Jacson6 Nov 29 #24

Corporate and anti-intellectual propaganda marches on JCMach1 Nov 29 #27

Yes. This thread alone includes enough content for a whole book on why this is true and how it happened. Iris Nov 29 #70

100%, with no dissing of trades. JCMach1 Nov 29 #75

I worked at what people call a trade school - often called technical colleges now Iris Nov 29 #80

It doesn't help when the K-12 education is so lacking, that colleges have to offer remedial classes MichMan Nov 29 #30

You know who does think it's worth it? Johnny2X2X Nov 29 #31

Absolutely true, IMO Happy Hoosier Nov 29 #40

Just disturbing to me the anti college rhetoric that has taken hold Johnny2X2X Nov 29 #41

Agreed Prairie Gates Nov 29 #48

THIS Iris Nov 29 #54

What's hilarious is that the degrees now considered "useful" are the ones that were only recently invented Prairie Gates Nov 29 #47

I think you've simplified what the business disciplines are Redleg Nov 29 #52

You're absolutely right...it's unfair to have the discipline you work in Prairie Gates Nov 29 #68

I appreciate that Redleg Monday #91

Well said Iris Nov 29 #60

"I have a nephew who received a BA in Philosophy who works at a Total Wine and More store." Jedi Guy Nov 29 #49

Everybody has an anecdote about some student with a French poetry degree Johnny2X2X Nov 29 #50

It's not the degrees themselves that are useful, but the habits of mind that the holders of the degrees have developed Iris Nov 29 #63

Well yeah. Johnny2X2X Nov 29 #64

GenX got jobs with these degrees without internships and co-ops Iris Nov 29 #69

Not this Gen Xer Johnny2X2X Nov 29 #72

I think collleges are more intentional about internships and co/ops now Iris Nov 29 #73

Agree Johnny2X2X Nov 29 #74

I know this was starting to happen with teaching in the early 90s Iris Nov 29 #79

There were no internships in my profession and Boomers JCMach1 Nov 29 #77

My kids have college degrees and they aren't making much ALBliberal Nov 29 #53

If we reduce everything to dollars mr715 Nov 29 #55

If you take 2 years tuition and plunk it in Tech growth stocks bucolic_frolic Nov 29 #57

Just making the argument for Free Public Colleges JCMach1 Nov 29 #78

If a student wants to attend an out of state college charging $60k a year tuition, taxpayers should have to pay it ? MichMan Nov 29 #84

As someone who has spent more than a little time in college classrooms... WarGamer Nov 29 #67

A better poll question as AI and Data Science grow in importance: Is a Math degree worth the cost and effort? thought crime Nov 29 #83

The Dumbing Down of America... BH liberal Nov 29 #85

It is hard to digest when it causes so much debt and even without college debt, salaries are still not great for most themaguffin Nov 29 #86

Not with its current cost Torchlight Monday #92