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H2O Man

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Mon Jan 12, 2026, 05:14 PM Jan 12

Peace [View all]

“ In those days, I identified with the ideas of Malcolm X, his philosophy of 'by any means necessary,' rather than what I misinterpreted as the passivity of Dr. Martin Luther King.” – Rubin “Hurricane” Carter


I will start by suggesting that we not engage in this conflict on the playing field of our opposition's turf. I will advocate that we raise it to a higher level of militant non-violence than they are able to understand. And it requires that it be organized at the grass roots level, in coordination with our elected representatives who demonstrate with us.

I note the obvious: Stephen Miller is looking to spark violence that will lead to a specific population that Miller and the felon plan to target with a vicious ICE/Border Patrol attack. They are willing, even eager, for some spark to ignite violence …... even having a damaged man in a uniform shell murder a woman in cold blood. Under the cover of the current protests across the country, we can count on the opposition to send agent provocateurs to create chaos. For they are mechanical, in both thinking and behavior, over and over in our nation's history.

Just as the para-military police fronting for the felon operate on the lowest level, we have several higher levels that are available to us. They require a level of self-discipline that is demanded today, if we are to win. Though my children are convinced otherwise, I was young once, and I understand that in general, young adults process anger and outrage differently than those my age. For whatever reason, I was never afraid in tense situations (hence I still have a part of a board a gentleman broke over my head in a march decades ago). But as Dr. King taught, one cannot drive out darkness with darkness.

I am not opposed to, say, the Berrigan brothers & plowshares activities. I also respect the “Citizens Commission to Investigate the FBI” that picked the date of The Fight of the Century's Ali versus Frazier to break into the FBI to borrow documents proving the agencies' illegal tactics while investigating the left. Despite the FBI's efforts, their identities remained unknown for 43 years, until they went public. Though I could tell some stories about those days, it is not what I am advocating now. So be careful.

King's activities required non-violence, even if attacked. That's hard. When Dr. King asked Rubin to join him in Selma, Rubin declined because he could not meet Martin's standards. Dr. King's followers were either silent in payer or meditation, or sang. The brutes they confronted did not know any way to react other than violence. But films of that violence changed the minds of the undecided. While all forms of exercising Amendment 1 rights are good, King's way was the most just and powerful.
That is the higher ground we need to rise to today. We need to rise above rage and hatred, because they are the stumbling blocks on the path that prevent us from moving ahead towards social justice. It is not easy. We must recognize that anyone who told us that we cannot do that, that we are chained to destructive emotions, lied to us. And sometimes that includes our lying to ourselves, convincing ourselves we are somehow incapable of answering Dr. King's most urgent call. The truth is that if we fail to put forth our best efforts, coming from our internal higher level, that the future will definitely be much harsher and more painful.

Thank you to anyone who has read this far.
H2O Man

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Peace [View all] H2O Man Jan 12 OP
The scary part of non-violence is you can be killed. Non-violence pisses authority figures off to no end. Solly Mack Jan 12 #1
Yes, you are right. H2O Man Jan 12 #5
Malcolm was right. Either way, you can still end up maimed or dead. Solly Mack Jan 12 #6
I agree 100% Non-Violent Protests is the ONLY Way forward. Nictuku Jan 12 #2
Than you! H2O Man Jan 12 #10
Thank you for this post H2O Man. I needed to livetohike Jan 12 #3
Thank you. H2O Man Jan 12 #11
... OneGrassRoot Jan 12 #4
I will need to H2O Man Jan 12 #12
YouTube it is! Thx. 💜 OneGrassRoot Jan 12 #15
A few years ago, H2O Man Jan 12 #18
Non-violence didn't work against Hitler. At all. SamuelTheThird Jan 12 #7
Respectfully disagree. H2O Man Jan 12 #14
I guess I wasn't clear SamuelTheThird Jan 12 #20
You were clear. H2O Man Jan 12 #22
Miller et al are only interested in violence in Democratic led cities and states malaise Jan 12 #8
I think that is Exactly It Malaise Nictuku Jan 12 #13
Do you think if people are 100% non-violent Trump will just go 'oh well' SamuelTheThird Jan 12 #21
"They're eating dogs! H2O Man Jan 12 #16
You always give us hope malaise Jan 12 #19
Thanks...K&R spanone Jan 12 #9
Thank you! H2O Man Jan 12 #17
Amen. Those days are the American legacy that we must live by and live up to. ancianita Jan 12 #23
Thank you! H2O Man Jan 12 #24
Violence is the last resort of the incompetent BeneteauBum Jan 12 #25
Right. H2O Man Jan 12 #29
When has stumpy, Prairie_Seagull Jan 12 #26
Exactly. H2O Man Jan 12 #30
Well said Saoirse9 Jan 12 #27
Be patient. H2O Man Jan 12 #31
Never been more grateful for Saoirse9 Jan 12 #28
As you know, H2O Man Jan 12 #32
Wise words Saoirse9 Jan 13 #41
I hear you! H2O Man Jan 13 #42
Non violence is sometimes necessary when you are powerless Keepthesoulalive Jan 12 #33
"Whose blood"? H2O Man Jan 12 #34
It has always been our blood Keepthesoulalive Jan 12 #35
It is important H2O Man Jan 12 #36
You did not live in the city. Keepthesoulalive Jan 13 #37
Ha! H2O Man Jan 13 #38
The proven effectiveness of Dr. King's method cannot be denied Martin Eden Jan 13 #39
Exactly! H2O Man Jan 13 #40
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