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MorbidButterflyTat

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70. You're preaching to the choir

Tue Jan 13, 2026, 03:34 PM

Jan 13

No more hope!! Hope is for suckers. The world is burning. It's over. It's the end of the world as we know it. We've lost. The end.

I think I've covered it all, except for the endless blame.

Seriously, I always appreciate your posts.

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Schumer and Jeffries Refuse to Back Growing Democratic Calls to Defund ICE [View all] Mysterian Jan 13 OP

I don't know if they want to reveal everything in their toolbox right now, so to speak Just_Vote_Dem Jan 13 #1

Keeping one's powder dry. Kid Berwyn Jan 13 #7

Seriously your comment is a bit reassuring vapor2 Jan 13 #17

This is kinda the same argument many of us here on DU, including me, were making in regards to Merrick Garland, MarineCombatEngineer Jan 13 #18

I hear you, but Just_Vote_Dem Jan 13 #20

... orangecrush Jan 13 #76

maybe we could try... ret5hd Jan 13 #101

If a rogue militia gunning down American citizens with impunity is not the right time, what is? Scrivener7 Jan 13 #102

1000% TIMES THIS. No more M.Garland-style hope. No more wishing Maru Kitteh Jan 13 #27

Garland handed over a fast moving investigation to Smith who brought an indictment with more than enough time to convict bigtree Jan 13 #48

Thank you! betsuni Jan 13 #57

Hey there, posse pal! MorbidButterflyTat Jan 13 #71

Giddy-up, partner! betsuni Jan 13 #77

Yippy kai yay! sheshe2 Wednesday #128

Ever see Die Hard? MorbidButterflyTat Wednesday #129

LOL.... sheshe2 Wednesday #130

You're preaching to the choir MorbidButterflyTat Jan 13 #70

When it was discovered he had stolen all that classified material questionseverything Jan 13 #81

This! A hundred times this!! CrispyQ Jan 13 #87

He for sure wouldn't be walking around freely questionseverything Jan 13 #88

anyone looking at how high profile prosecutions are challenged and appealed bigtree Jan 13 #89

If he was sitting in jail, waiting for trial like any other traitor would be questionseverything Jan 13 #90

that possibility just existed in the internet fantasy prosecution bigtree Jan 13 #91

We disagree and I don't feel the need to belittle you and that's your entire argument questionseverything Jan 13 #92

lol bigtree Jan 13 #94

Yeah right. choie Jan 13 #33

Respectfully, I understand the optimism angrychair Jan 13 #41

I appreciate the response Just_Vote_Dem Jan 13 #42

No worries at all angrychair Jan 13 #44

Thank you! Just_Vote_Dem Jan 13 #46

Seconding angrychair in my hopes that you improve hamsterjill Jan 13 #68

Thank you so much! Just_Vote_Dem Jan 13 #84

This message was self-deleted by its author orangecrush Jan 13 #74

They need to meet this moment leftstreet Jan 13 #2

Sadly, I think we need to face the fact that they won't. And our Democratic popularity will stay in the tank. Scrivener7 Jan 13 #105

Gosh I hope they don't listen. Everyone knows defund is a TERRIBLE slogan. Maybe something like "we want nicer ICE?" WhiskeyGrinder Jan 13 #3

Seen on social media: I like my ICE crushed. CrispyQ Jan 13 #8

Saw the same meme the other day peggysue2 Jan 13 #65

Defund is a third rail term Johonny Jan 13 #4

How about " Keep the Border Sealed-- Re-form Ice" Ars Longa Jan 13 #23

Build the case that ICE is wasting money, on jets for instance. dem4decades Jan 13 #34

I didn't want to defund them angrychair Jan 13 #47

Unlike Defund the Police, this is a movement/term I can 100% back. n/t Ms. Toad Jan 13 #35

"There is nothing impossible to him who will try." Kid Berwyn Jan 13 #5

They could write strict regulations into the bill Fiendish Thingy Jan 13 #6

what bill? bigtree Jan 13 #59

My comments were in the context of positions the leadership could take Fiendish Thingy Jan 13 #82

the members of their respective bodies chose them bigtree Jan 13 #93

"It is the job of thinking people not to be on the side of the executioners." ― Albert Camus Ping Tung Jan 13 #9

Wanting to neuter ICE is a political loser... biocube Jan 13 #10

The only test they have to pass is a loyalty test. gab13by13 Jan 13 #12

Yes they definitely need MORE money WhiskeyGrinder Jan 13 #14

Oh! So the ICE murderer just wasn't trained properly leftstreet Jan 13 #19

Yes, I think if we had the same requirements for police officers biocube Jan 13 #22

yeah we know cops never murder anybody WhiskeyGrinder Jan 13 #24

Nonsense leftstreet Jan 13 #30

I don't see a lot of evidence pointing towards your assertion Torchlight Jan 13 #21

More training for Proud Boys Brownshirts is not going to make a bit of difference SamuelTheThird Jan 13 #31

Yeah that's what happened choie Jan 13 #37

I have a question that I hope those with more knowledge on this can help explain Quiet Em Jan 13 #11

Victims refuse JBTaurus83 Jan 13 #13

At the very minimum, DISARM ICE C_U_L8R Jan 13 #15

I recommend they never say ANYTHING aocommunalpunch Jan 13 #16

Because complicity has been an effective response so far! Duncan Grant Jan 13 #25

They should have a background check. No arrest Emile Jan 13 #26

No wonder so many Dems are registering as independent now. CousinIT Jan 13 #28

Something about beatings continuing until morale improves. n/t flvegan Jan 13 #29

Schumer and Jeffries are legitimate, elected leaders. gulliver Jan 13 #32

Wut? We can't call for the reining-in of ICE because we weren't elected? And we're trying to lose us the midterms Scrivener7 Jan 13 #103

Both need to face a primary. This is being complicit in the torture and murder of US citizens as well as immigrants. Demsrule86 Jan 13 #36

Schumer is not up until 28 SocialDemocrat61 Jan 13 #49

no Dem leader could undo the funding right now bigtree Jan 13 #55

No matter how many times it's explained who votes for leadership, fact refuses to sink in. betsuni Jan 13 #72

seriously. I have a hard time believing that they don't know the leaders represent the membership bigtree Jan 13 #78

I know. Now I have the urge to use "refuse" in every sentence. betsuni Jan 13 #83

THEY DON'T CONTROL THE BUDGET bigtree Jan 13 #38

Again big thank you. betsuni Jan 13 #64

you're welcome, going back to my plough, now bigtree Jan 13 #66

Oh, look! Facts. Logic. Truth. (Thank you!) QueerDuck Wednesday #121

Long worried about Schumer. Now worried about Jeffries. Nm Grins Jan 13 #39

Defunding ICE maliaSmith Jan 13 #40

While i agree something needs to be done Samael13 Jan 13 #43

correct, I see less than half a dozen legislators in the article bigtree Jan 13 #63

How large is too large BidenRocks Jan 13 #45

Many Desirable Things Would be Possible if We Had a Democratic Majority in the House and Senate. MineralMan Jan 13 #50

I would assume that both the SocialDemocrat61 Jan 13 #51

Our nation survived for 202 years without Immigrations and Customs Enforcement (ICE) Thunderbeast Jan 13 #52

ICE was only formed in late 2003 as a response to 9/11 and the Homeland Security Act. It's budget then was Nanjeanne Jan 13 #53

Clickbait headline mcar Jan 13 #54

"Little interest" - oh, that's so much better! I'm relieved. Thank God. (nt) Duncan Grant Jan 13 #60

Better than refuse and the headline is misleading mcar Jan 13 #62

Regardless, they are doing nothing more than make speeches. Duncan Grant Jan 13 #67

"...impotent, cowardly acquiescence." MorbidButterflyTat Wednesday #133

You won't shame me. Duncan Grant Wednesday #134

It's designed to feed the anger of those who promote that Democrats "do-nothing" and "know-nothing" or... QueerDuck Wednesday #122

Yup mcar Wednesday #125

Post removed Post removed Wednesday #127

Truth...out. sheshe2 Wednesday #131

Oh yeah mcar Wednesday #132

I won't comment because I'd just get a post removed message CanonRay Jan 13 #56

Close the border! Leave law abiding people alone! OrlandoDem2 Jan 13 #58

Childish belief there are simple easy solutions for everything but mean old Democrats refuse to do them. betsuni Jan 13 #61

Yeah orangecrush Jan 13 #80

Childish belief the designated leaders do no wrong Mysterian Jan 13 #100

Said nobody ever. betsuni Jan 13 #104

Do you actually believe you "debunked" anything with this post: Mysterian Wednesday #111

You shall soon be implied to be a bad Democrat mr715 Wednesday #114

"Childish" mr715 Wednesday #113

I'd like to see new leadership. hamsterjill Jan 13 #69

the members of the party elect their own leadership bigtree Jan 13 #96

Well, it's time for a change in my opinion. hamsterjill Jan 13 #98

Post removed Post removed Jan 13 #73

Didn't we all just have this same argument last week? MorbidButterflyTat Jan 13 #75

this time it's conveniently while Dems are meeting this week to make these decisions bigtree Jan 13 #97

It refuses to go away. We will see it again next week and the week after that and the week after that. betsuni Jan 13 #106

Makes me sick orangecrush Jan 13 #79

When maga has run its course, there will be time enough at last to regroup. usonian Jan 13 #85

This is war. They want to destroy us. I'm tired of nambie pambie pretending any of the is normal. flashman13 Jan 13 #86

you don't even know their position on this, yay or nay bigtree Jan 13 #95

Possibly you missed a reporter asking Jefferies straight up whether he supported de-funding ICE. flashman13 Jan 13 #99

that's specious bigtree Jan 13 #108

No it's not. It's more weak kneed non leadership. flashman13 Wednesday #110

Leaders lead. mr715 Wednesday #112

they are leading. bigtree Wednesday #116

The minority leader's function isn't really legislating mr715 Wednesday #118

'opposition messaging' is a canard in this case bigtree Wednesday #119

As you know, the Senate leadership mr715 Wednesday #120

'defund' is a word that you likely won't see anywhere in any messaging from the leadership bigtree Wednesday #123

Again, I appreciate this position mr715 Wednesday #124

""Statements and letters are not enough, and the appropriations process Scrivener7 Jan 13 #107

They seem to be "re-fighting last year's election"---- Jack Valentino Jan 13 #109

Why? kentuck Wednesday #115

that's nonsense bigtree Wednesday #117

I look forward to seeing their replacements take over. nt Gore1FL Wednesday #126

I'm not surprised. Perhaps we need some more quiet, deliberate consideration... mucholderthandirt Thursday #135