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eppur_se_muova

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20. Automation and cheap Asian labor has made it cheaper to replace than to repair.
Tue Jan 13, 2026, 06:22 PM
Jan 13

You can now buy beginner-level musical instruments such as trumpets and flutes for under $100. They are usually made in either Taiwan or the PRC (sometimes Korea, but my *overall* impression is that the Korean companies are pursuing the higher-value markets, and put more emphasis on quality. Exceptions no doubt abound.) They cut costs to the bone, using cheaper alloys and thinner metal, and are often assembled with robot-installed screws that are, by design, one-use only. Machines screw them in with the screws cutting their own threads on the way in, and badly degrading them on the way out. In the past, repair shops would drill out a stripped thread, insert a brass bushing thread to fit a new screw, and the instrument would be almost as good as new, although the bushing would now be subject to wear and probably a first point of failure. Now there may not be enough metal to support a bushing -- drilling out the old threads may just break the post (or whatever the screw was in). If you buy one of these instruments for your kid to play in band class, know that the cost of any repair will probably be 50% or more of the cost of a new instrument. With a flute or clarinet, you can throw out the joint with the damage and replace it with one from a new instrument, and hope the next time there's damage it's on a different joint so you can "cannibalize" the new to keep the old working! With trumpets the most common damage is most likely to the thread on the valve caps, which are made of such thin metal that the threads must be very fine, and finer threads in soft metal are easier to cross-thread. Once the threads are damaged, re-threading is not an option -- too little metal, and too weak. An experienced repairman can de-solder an assembled valve casing and replace a damaged valve, but I've been told that the mass-produced trumpets from China tend to desolder everywhere if you heat them anywhere -- basically, the valve assembly will fall apart as fast as you can repair. Buy a new trumpet.

Of course, this is even more true with electronic devices -- they get smaller and cheaper every year, and repair becomes almost impossible because of the specialized knowledge and parts required. Junk and replace is faster, cheaper, AND easier. It's hard to see how this trend can be mitigated at all.

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It started with farmers spending $$$$$$ on tractors/combines with no ability to repair hlthe2b Jan 13 #1
Speaking of Amazon, I recently needed a skin graph after my MOHs surgery. Dr. ordered it from Amazon. Who knew! SheilaAnn Jan 13 #3
Well, they want to sell everything... hlthe2b Jan 13 #8
I thought she was kidding at first but voila. $8,000 worth. She said they do have an extensive medical dept. n/t SheilaAnn Jan 13 #12
Amazon has its own online pharmacy. ananda Jan 13 #24
HEB rocks! hamsterjill Jan 16 #54
Me too! ananda Jan 16 #55
They are an amazing company. hamsterjill Jan 16 #56
They just took my skin graft off of me fargone Jan 16 #53
What's preventing repair of this item? bucolic_frolic Jan 13 #2
There is no way for me to disassemble the heater to access the area Coventina Jan 13 #7
Oh, now I see where you're coming from bucolic_frolic Jan 13 #14
I think that's called a "tip switch", because it triggers when the device tips over. surrealAmerican Jan 13 #4
Point taken. But I also feel that "planned obsolescence" is a major problem as well. Coventina Jan 13 #10
Bought a cheap little space heater for my house this winter. Cost $35 at $ Gen. Have allegorical oracle Jan 16 #57
Absolutely! SheltieLover Jan 13 #5
Having the legal right to repair is not the same as having stuff that is possible to repair. Intractable Jan 13 #6
I understand and agree. I guess I was envisioning a return to a time (haha!) Coventina Jan 13 #11
Automation and cheap Asian labor has made it cheaper to replace than to repair. eppur_se_muova Jan 13 #20
Repair shops and repair people remain common in low-income areas Prairie Gates Jan 14 #42
I think it's an extremely important issue canetoad Jan 13 #9
Pollution and waste is corporate design. Blue Full Moon Jan 13 #13
Ask any farmer that owns a large piece of equipment made by John Deere A HERETIC I AM Jan 13 #15
Right to ForgedCrank Jan 13 #16
"The goal is that you will own nothing and like it." Jedi Guy Jan 13 #35
Heck, Apple could be accused of planned obsolescence -- every new iphone model means allegorical oracle Jan 16 #58
Oh yes, Apple is well known to engage in planned obsolescence. Jedi Guy Jan 16 #59
Any device that is held together with screws can be opened. :) eppur_se_muova Jan 13 #17
As "A HERETIC I AM" posted earlier, John Deere is the poster child for walkingman Jan 13 #18
Have you heard of the black market for John Deere software? A HERETIC I AM Jan 13 #30
Frequently screws are hidden under decals. Prairie_Seagull Jan 13 #19
"Removing sticker violates warranty" is old hat on hard drives and other computer components. eppur_se_muova Jan 13 #22
BMW has applied for a patent on a proprietary screw, so only their dealers and servicemen can repair your car. eppur_se_muova Jan 13 #21
YES, I think it's important Raine Jan 13 #23
"Right to Repair" doesn't mean it has to be easy to repair or that all parts have to be made available MichMan Jan 13 #25
The issue here is DRM as well Oneironaut Jan 14 #44
If you own a John Deere product it sure is. It needs to be stopped now before more of us with other products get stuck. marble falls Jan 13 #26
yes. i need to be able to fix it myself rampartd Jan 13 #27
"Right to repair" is extremely important, but your issue is not one of right to repair. NT. mahatmakanejeeves Jan 13 #28
While it's not a burning priority for most of us right now. . . DinahMoeHum Jan 13 #29
Trinket rich but equity poor. CrispyQ Jan 13 #31
Don't get me started about cars Wednesdays Jan 13 #32
Yes! Tasmanian Devil Jan 13 #33
See if you can find a exact model cheap, that doesn't work, but you can pull parts off of it. n/t aggiesal Jan 13 #34
I believe in a right to repair kbowman Jan 13 #36
This is bigger than repairs MadameButterfly Jan 13 #37
Not me. ForgedCrank Jan 13 #39
Everything shouldn't be computerized and high tech MadameButterfly Jan 14 #41
products made and not quality maliaSmith Jan 13 #38
We have an appliance repair guy who keeps telling us MadameButterfly Jan 14 #43
He is 100% correct. Newer models are for energy efficiency, not durability or even serviceability dalton99a Jan 14 #45
i wonder if they are even saving energy if you consider MadameButterfly Jan 14 #47
What really annoys me... CaptainTruth Jan 13 #40
YES rictofen Jan 14 #48
Right? Scott Alan Swaggerty Jan 16 #50
That ship sailed a long time ago with American businesses. GoodRaisin Jan 14 #46
Yes. Scott Alan Swaggerty Jan 16 #49
Right to repair is a pretty big issue. tirebiter Jan 16 #51
LOL, it was given to me, but point taken. Coventina Jan 16 #52
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