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117. that's nonsense

Wed Jan 14, 2026, 02:58 PM

Jan 14

...based on the lie in the op that claimed they 'refused' something.

There's no evidence they refused anything. The caucus is meeting this week and they will carry forward with the consensus of the people they represent; the people who voted for the leaders to represent them in their respective bodies.

This entire premise is a lie.

Do people understand that these leaders don't dictate anything to the Dems who elected them leader? They're not autocrats. The party operates by the consensus of the members, not the fiat of it's leadership. It's been that way for generations.

What the fuck do people think they have to threaten members with? Why would anyone want that in the first place?

This entire premise is sophistry and specious reasoning that ignores the realities of the system in which they are tasked to operate.

To me is sounds like scapegoating for voter failure to give them the majority they need to do more than this performative nonsense people demand from a party out of power.

How does anyone actually know how many votes there are to delay the budget again when they're positing like that's superfluous to their own projections?

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Schumer and Jeffries Refuse to Back Growing Democratic Calls to Defund ICE [View all] Mysterian Jan 13 OP

I don't know if they want to reveal everything in their toolbox right now, so to speak Just_Vote_Dem Jan 13 #1

Keeping one's powder dry. Kid Berwyn Jan 13 #7

Seriously your comment is a bit reassuring vapor2 Jan 13 #17

This is kinda the same argument many of us here on DU, including me, were making in regards to Merrick Garland, MarineCombatEngineer Jan 13 #18

I hear you, but Just_Vote_Dem Jan 13 #20

... orangecrush Jan 13 #76

maybe we could try... ret5hd Jan 13 #101

If a rogue militia gunning down American citizens with impunity is not the right time, what is? Scrivener7 Jan 13 #102

1000% TIMES THIS. No more M.Garland-style hope. No more wishing Maru Kitteh Jan 13 #27

Garland handed over a fast moving investigation to Smith who brought an indictment with more than enough time to convict bigtree Jan 13 #48

Thank you! betsuni Jan 13 #57

Hey there, posse pal! MorbidButterflyTat Jan 13 #71

Giddy-up, partner! betsuni Jan 13 #77

Yippy kai yay! sheshe2 Jan 14 #128

Ever see Die Hard? MorbidButterflyTat Jan 14 #129

LOL.... sheshe2 Jan 14 #130

You're preaching to the choir MorbidButterflyTat Jan 13 #70

When it was discovered he had stolen all that classified material questionseverything Jan 13 #81

This! A hundred times this!! CrispyQ Jan 13 #87

He for sure wouldn't be walking around freely questionseverything Jan 13 #88

anyone looking at how high profile prosecutions are challenged and appealed bigtree Jan 13 #89

If he was sitting in jail, waiting for trial like any other traitor would be questionseverything Jan 13 #90

that possibility just existed in the internet fantasy prosecution bigtree Jan 13 #91

We disagree and I don't feel the need to belittle you and that's your entire argument questionseverything Jan 13 #92

lol bigtree Jan 13 #94

Yeah right. choie Jan 13 #33

Respectfully, I understand the optimism angrychair Jan 13 #41

I appreciate the response Just_Vote_Dem Jan 13 #42

No worries at all angrychair Jan 13 #44

Thank you! Just_Vote_Dem Jan 13 #46

Seconding angrychair in my hopes that you improve hamsterjill Jan 13 #68

Thank you so much! Just_Vote_Dem Jan 13 #84

This message was self-deleted by its author orangecrush Jan 13 #74

They need to meet this moment leftstreet Jan 13 #2

Sadly, I think we need to face the fact that they won't. And our Democratic popularity will stay in the tank. Scrivener7 Jan 13 #105

Gosh I hope they don't listen. Everyone knows defund is a TERRIBLE slogan. Maybe something like "we want nicer ICE?" WhiskeyGrinder Jan 13 #3

Seen on social media: I like my ICE crushed. CrispyQ Jan 13 #8

Saw the same meme the other day peggysue2 Jan 13 #65

Defund is a third rail term Johonny Jan 13 #4

How about " Keep the Border Sealed-- Re-form Ice" Ars Longa Jan 13 #23

Build the case that ICE is wasting money, on jets for instance. dem4decades Jan 13 #34

I didn't want to defund them angrychair Jan 13 #47

Unlike Defund the Police, this is a movement/term I can 100% back. n/t Ms. Toad Jan 13 #35

"There is nothing impossible to him who will try." Kid Berwyn Jan 13 #5

They could write strict regulations into the bill Fiendish Thingy Jan 13 #6

what bill? bigtree Jan 13 #59

My comments were in the context of positions the leadership could take Fiendish Thingy Jan 13 #82

the members of their respective bodies chose them bigtree Jan 13 #93

"It is the job of thinking people not to be on the side of the executioners." ― Albert Camus Ping Tung Jan 13 #9

Wanting to neuter ICE is a political loser... biocube Jan 13 #10

The only test they have to pass is a loyalty test. gab13by13 Jan 13 #12

Yes they definitely need MORE money WhiskeyGrinder Jan 13 #14

Oh! So the ICE murderer just wasn't trained properly leftstreet Jan 13 #19

Yes, I think if we had the same requirements for police officers biocube Jan 13 #22

yeah we know cops never murder anybody WhiskeyGrinder Jan 13 #24

Nonsense leftstreet Jan 13 #30

I don't see a lot of evidence pointing towards your assertion Torchlight Jan 13 #21

More training for Proud Boys Brownshirts is not going to make a bit of difference SamuelTheThird Jan 13 #31

Yeah that's what happened choie Jan 13 #37

I have a question that I hope those with more knowledge on this can help explain Quiet Em Jan 13 #11

Victims refuse JBTaurus83 Jan 13 #13

At the very minimum, DISARM ICE C_U_L8R Jan 13 #15

I recommend they never say ANYTHING aocommunalpunch Jan 13 #16

Because complicity has been an effective response so far! Duncan Grant Jan 13 #25

They should have a background check. No arrest Emile Jan 13 #26

No wonder so many Dems are registering as independent now. CousinIT Jan 13 #28

Something about beatings continuing until morale improves. n/t flvegan Jan 13 #29

Schumer and Jeffries are legitimate, elected leaders. gulliver Jan 13 #32

Wut? We can't call for the reining-in of ICE because we weren't elected? And we're trying to lose us the midterms Scrivener7 Jan 13 #103

Both need to face a primary. This is being complicit in the torture and murder of US citizens as well as immigrants. Demsrule86 Jan 13 #36

Schumer is not up until 28 SocialDemocrat61 Jan 13 #49

no Dem leader could undo the funding right now bigtree Jan 13 #55

No matter how many times it's explained who votes for leadership, fact refuses to sink in. betsuni Jan 13 #72

seriously. I have a hard time believing that they don't know the leaders represent the membership bigtree Jan 13 #78

I know. Now I have the urge to use "refuse" in every sentence. betsuni Jan 13 #83

THEY DON'T CONTROL THE BUDGET bigtree Jan 13 #38

Again big thank you. betsuni Jan 13 #64

you're welcome, going back to my plough, now bigtree Jan 13 #66

Oh, look! Facts. Logic. Truth. (Thank you!) QueerDuck Jan 14 #121

Long worried about Schumer. Now worried about Jeffries. Nm Grins Jan 13 #39

Defunding ICE maliaSmith Jan 13 #40

While i agree something needs to be done Samael13 Jan 13 #43

correct, I see less than half a dozen legislators in the article bigtree Jan 13 #63

How large is too large BidenRocks Jan 13 #45

Many Desirable Things Would be Possible if We Had a Democratic Majority in the House and Senate. MineralMan Jan 13 #50

I would assume that both the SocialDemocrat61 Jan 13 #51

Our nation survived for 202 years without Immigrations and Customs Enforcement (ICE) Thunderbeast Jan 13 #52

ICE was only formed in late 2003 as a response to 9/11 and the Homeland Security Act. It's budget then was Nanjeanne Jan 13 #53

Clickbait headline mcar Jan 13 #54

"Little interest" - oh, that's so much better! I'm relieved. Thank God. (nt) Duncan Grant Jan 13 #60

Better than refuse and the headline is misleading mcar Jan 13 #62

Regardless, they are doing nothing more than make speeches. Duncan Grant Jan 13 #67

"...impotent, cowardly acquiescence." MorbidButterflyTat Jan 14 #133

You won't shame me. Duncan Grant Jan 14 #134

It's designed to feed the anger of those who promote that Democrats "do-nothing" and "know-nothing" or... QueerDuck Jan 14 #122

Yup mcar Jan 14 #125

Post removed Post removed Jan 14 #127

Truth...out. sheshe2 Jan 14 #131

Oh yeah mcar Jan 14 #132

I won't comment because I'd just get a post removed message CanonRay Jan 13 #56

Close the border! Leave law abiding people alone! OrlandoDem2 Jan 13 #58

Childish belief there are simple easy solutions for everything but mean old Democrats refuse to do them. betsuni Jan 13 #61

Yeah orangecrush Jan 13 #80

Childish belief the designated leaders do no wrong Mysterian Jan 13 #100

Said nobody ever. betsuni Jan 13 #104

Do you actually believe you "debunked" anything with this post: Mysterian Jan 14 #111

You shall soon be implied to be a bad Democrat mr715 Jan 14 #114

"Childish" mr715 Jan 14 #113

I'd like to see new leadership. hamsterjill Jan 13 #69

the members of the party elect their own leadership bigtree Jan 13 #96

Well, it's time for a change in my opinion. hamsterjill Jan 13 #98

Post removed Post removed Jan 13 #73

Didn't we all just have this same argument last week? MorbidButterflyTat Jan 13 #75

this time it's conveniently while Dems are meeting this week to make these decisions bigtree Jan 13 #97

It refuses to go away. We will see it again next week and the week after that and the week after that. betsuni Jan 13 #106

Makes me sick orangecrush Jan 13 #79

When maga has run its course, there will be time enough at last to regroup. usonian Jan 13 #85

This is war. They want to destroy us. I'm tired of nambie pambie pretending any of the is normal. flashman13 Jan 13 #86

you don't even know their position on this, yay or nay bigtree Jan 13 #95

Possibly you missed a reporter asking Jefferies straight up whether he supported de-funding ICE. flashman13 Jan 13 #99

that's specious bigtree Jan 13 #108

No it's not. It's more weak kneed non leadership. flashman13 Jan 14 #110

Leaders lead. mr715 Jan 14 #112

they are leading. bigtree Jan 14 #116

The minority leader's function isn't really legislating mr715 Jan 14 #118

'opposition messaging' is a canard in this case bigtree Jan 14 #119

As you know, the Senate leadership mr715 Jan 14 #120

'defund' is a word that you likely won't see anywhere in any messaging from the leadership bigtree Jan 14 #123

Again, I appreciate this position mr715 Jan 14 #124

""Statements and letters are not enough, and the appropriations process Scrivener7 Jan 13 #107

They seem to be "re-fighting last year's election"---- Jack Valentino Jan 13 #109

Why? kentuck Jan 14 #115

that's nonsense bigtree Jan 14 #117

I look forward to seeing their replacements take over. nt Gore1FL Jan 14 #126

I'm not surprised. Perhaps we need some more quiet, deliberate consideration... mucholderthandirt Thursday #135