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Martin Eden

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3. "It is essential that we have a conversation on this complicated issue"
Sun May 10, 2026, 09:19 AM
May 10

Last edited Sun May 10, 2026, 09:58 AM - Edit history (1)

I am not so sure that Democratic messaging should focus on this complicated issue in the context of winning elections.

It is extremely complicated with no easy solution, which most voters don't grasp very well. Also it does not directly affect them, except with the closing of the Hormuz Strait. THAT has become a major advantage to Democrats as the price of gas goes up and looming shortages of other commodities are likely to have an even greater economic impact.

The US policy of unconditional support for Israel has been essentially unchanged for generations. The atrocities in Gaza were going to hurt the party in the White House among muslim voters and idealistic young Americans. It was bad timing for the Democratic ticket.

Antisemitism in this country is a real problem, though it has often been used as a false accusation for political advantage. AIPAC has influence on US elections. Is there any solution to the I/P conflict which is fair to Palestinians but does not involve cutting off aid to Israel if it does not change its policies?

This is a double-edged sword in US politics, and a distraction from the key issues Democrats must hammer to overcome voter suppression, gerrymandering, and whatever gestapo/ICE actions Mango Mussolini has up his sleeve.

I am not at all happy in approaching the highly moral issue of atrocities in the Middle East as a political calculation for winning elections. My preference is always Do the right thing. In practical terms, this involves getting results. I understand that many voters could not in good conscience vote for Kamala because the Biden administration would not apply real pressure on Netanyahu in Gaza. Did those voters understand the US election is a binary choice, and Trump would be worse for everything they cared about?

I wholeheartedly agree that serious conversations are necessary regarding the horrible conflict that has raged for generations if not millennia, but not as a campaign strategy.

H2O Man,
To be fair, you did not advocate that. My next post will have my thoughts on this complicated issue, aside from US electoral politics.

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On a Rainy Day [View all] H2O Man May 9 OP
Individually Saoirse9 May 10 #1
A number of things. H2O Man May 10 #6
When was Dick Cheney "ushered on stage" to endorse? What event was that? betsuni May 10 #2
Okay. H2O Man May 10 #7
you obviously don't see the virtue in enabling the election of a white supremacist, criminal madman bigtree Tuesday #24
My brains shut down when I try to understand it. betsuni Wednesday #42
This message was self-deleted by its author betsuni Wednesday #43
"It is essential that we have a conversation on this complicated issue" Martin Eden May 10 #3
Very good! H2O Man May 10 #8
One Word Martin Eden May 10 #4
it's a hard conversation to have. mopinko May 10 #5
It has been a long while that I have seen so many of Israel's talking points summarized so well and succinctly. AloeVera May 10 #9
It definitely is hard. H2O Man May 11 #11
i absolutely wish that jews believed in hell, mopinko May 11 #13
Thank you! H2O Man May 11 #15
Good OP malaise May 10 #10
Thank you! H2O Man May 11 #12
interesting bigtree May 11 #14
Interesting. H2O Man May 11 #16
I think you can find numerous statements and actions by Sen. Schumer, if you look, that condem every objectional aspect bigtree May 11 #17
Very good. H2O Man May 11 #18
this is false bigtree Tuesday #21
Gracious! H2O Man Tuesday #22
that has nothing at all to do with what you claimed is my belief bigtree Tuesday #23
Sure it does. H2O Man Tuesday #25
well, you go on and tell me what I believe bigtree Tuesday #27
Golly. H2O Man Tuesday #28
responding to your continued effort to tell me what I believe bigtree Tuesday #29
You are funny! H2O Man Tuesday #30
you might not find it as funny if I did the same dishonest and demeaning thing bigtree Tuesday #31
I think that H2O Man Tuesday #32
I think it's sad that you can't find something that actually affects Americans to prioritize in the next election bigtree Tuesday #33
Comic genius! H2O Man Tuesday #34
like I said bigtree Tuesday #35
Ha! H2O Man Tuesday #36
lol, sweating 'Robert' bigtree Wednesday #37
I have never H2O Man Wednesday #38
there you go again, claiming I said things I haven't said or implied bigtree Wednesday #39
You are confused. H2O Man Wednesday #40
the hubris in representing to me that you know ANYTHING substantive about what I believe bigtree Wednesday #44
Catch-22, denialism and a few other things... AloeVera May 11 #19
Americans were divided on that conflict bigtree Tuesday #20
The attempts at restraint failed because there was little behind them to make them serious. AloeVera Wednesday #41
I think you're assuming levers of influence that didn't exist for Biden bigtree Wednesday #45
I am reminded H2O Man Tuesday #26
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