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17. I think you can find numerous statements and actions by Sen. Schumer, if you look, that condem every objectional aspect
Mon May 11, 2026, 09:22 PM
Monday

...of Israel's assualts on Gaza.

As far as his supporting Israel, I'd also guess we'd find many of his constituency, other than you, who also support his funding votes related to Israel, none of which triggered their president to wage war in Iran, or retaliate they way they have for the massacres and rapes in their country.

When you find someone who says, 'the genocide in Gaza was in any way those pesky republicans way to deliberately divert and divide the Democratic Party,' you can tell them that I also disagree with that premise.

The attacks on the Biden administration for Israel's military response to the attacks were specious and completely off-base, give that the administration neither supported what Israel did or were responsible for their attacks on Gaza.

Indeed, as I wrote, VP Harris was actively engaged and tasked with brokering a ceasefire in '24, but was accused of some untenable association with the demagoguery against the Biden presidency that supposed the election was about the president who had stepped down, or the VP candidate they imagined was the problem and not the maniac that just went to war with Iran.

Not a word from those people today about enabling Trump into office with their opposition. Maybe someone can bother to hold them accountable for what ultimately happened with Trump and his buddy Bibi.

Whatever the 'Biden-Harris' policy toward Israel, it didn't result in a war with Iran, and it wasn't responsible for the military response of Israel after their people were massacred and raped. In fact, it was the Biden administration, led by VP Harris which worked to mitigate the response.

Anyone who's setting the Democratic party up to debate and focus on Israel, instead of the U.S., is doing exactly what people looking to deliberately divide the party at voting time used to dissuade voters from supporting our nominee, Kamala Harris.

Anyone supposing we'd be in the same position with Israel under a Harris presidency as we experienced under Biden or Trump isn't dealing with those facts in a responsible or factual manner, and the result of that demagoguery will be (deliberately) more of the same division and rejection of a perfectly responsible party; rejection of a coalition of Democrats who may well disagree at times; to the ultimate benefit of a republican party that is demonstratably hostile to the aims that critics purport to support.

How about starting with the supposition that NO American president has been able to formulate a policy that solves the conflict between Israel and it's Arab neighbors, not just Biden's?

How about acknowledging that, from Chuck Schumer, to Biden, to Harris, there is a chasm between them and any republican in any election; elections being the thing this posit is ostensibly concerned with, and that it's time and effort wasted directing Dem supporters to bear down on something that can be debated and resolved among Democrats in a majority?

It's not only deliberately divisive, to the point of threatening the actual Democratic leader more then the republican one, it's specious and deliberately distracting (for many who really don't have the Dem party's future at heart: see: last election) to the actual concerns and needs facing Americans today.

Again, what responsibility do those 'Gaza' advocates bashing Biden and Harris assume for splintering people away from the party right before we voted last time over disagreements best solved in a Democratic majority, and clearly at devastating risk under the presidency they helped enable into power with their campaigning against Democrats instead of republicans?

Some of those same critics are now engaged in trying to take down our Democratic leaders (both of them!) over this speciousness. How's that supposed to work out, advocating against your own party leaders as a strategy to gain support of voters?

It's ludicrous and self-defeating; not to mention, false.

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On a Rainy Day [View all] H2O Man Saturday OP
Individually Saoirse9 Sunday #1
A number of things. H2O Man Sunday #6
When was Dick Cheney "ushered on stage" to endorse? What event was that? betsuni Sunday #2
Okay. H2O Man Sunday #7
you obviously don't see the virtue in enabling the election of a white supremacist, criminal madman bigtree Tuesday #24
My brains shut down when I try to understand it. betsuni Yesterday #42
This message was self-deleted by its author betsuni Yesterday #43
"It is essential that we have a conversation on this complicated issue" Martin Eden Sunday #3
Very good! H2O Man Sunday #8
One Word Martin Eden Sunday #4
it's a hard conversation to have. mopinko Sunday #5
It has been a long while that I have seen so many of Israel's talking points summarized so well and succinctly. AloeVera Sunday #9
It definitely is hard. H2O Man Monday #11
i absolutely wish that jews believed in hell, mopinko Monday #13
Thank you! H2O Man Monday #15
Good OP malaise Sunday #10
Thank you! H2O Man Monday #12
interesting bigtree Monday #14
Interesting. H2O Man Monday #16
I think you can find numerous statements and actions by Sen. Schumer, if you look, that condem every objectional aspect bigtree Monday #17
Very good. H2O Man Monday #18
this is false bigtree Tuesday #21
Gracious! H2O Man Tuesday #22
that has nothing at all to do with what you claimed is my belief bigtree Tuesday #23
Sure it does. H2O Man Tuesday #25
well, you go on and tell me what I believe bigtree Tuesday #27
Golly. H2O Man Tuesday #28
responding to your continued effort to tell me what I believe bigtree Tuesday #29
You are funny! H2O Man Tuesday #30
you might not find it as funny if I did the same dishonest and demeaning thing bigtree Tuesday #31
I think that H2O Man Tuesday #32
I think it's sad that you can't find something that actually affects Americans to prioritize in the next election bigtree Tuesday #33
Comic genius! H2O Man Tuesday #34
like I said bigtree Tuesday #35
Ha! H2O Man Tuesday #36
lol, sweating 'Robert' bigtree Yesterday #37
I have never H2O Man Yesterday #38
there you go again, claiming I said things I haven't said or implied bigtree Yesterday #39
You are confused. H2O Man Yesterday #40
the hubris in representing to me that you know ANYTHING substantive about what I believe bigtree Yesterday #44
Catch-22, denialism and a few other things... AloeVera Monday #19
Americans were divided on that conflict bigtree Tuesday #20
The attempts at restraint failed because there was little behind them to make them serious. AloeVera Yesterday #41
I think you're assuming levers of influence that didn't exist for Biden bigtree Yesterday #45
I am reminded H2O Man Tuesday #26
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