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Jedi Guy

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41. Disclaimer: I don't live in Maine so my vote doesn't make a damn bit of difference here. Let's get that out of the way.
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 11:55 AM
Yesterday

Now that we've got that out of the way, Platner's candidacy - and the reaction to these revelations about his past - are pretty troubling to me. Because let's all be very real here: if this were anyone else, no one would be minimizing his whoops-didn't-know-it-was-a-Nazi-tattoo excuse and no one would be hand-waving away the reports about his past behavior towards women.

The sexting and drinking I don't care so much about as long as the former was between consenting adults. If we immediately nixed anyone with peccadillos and a drinking problem from public office the halls of Congress would be very, very quiet indeed.

What I find troubling is that a lot of people seem okay with jettisoning certain values out of convenience and/or a desire to capture the Senate. They're okay with a very flimsy "aw shucks, I didn't know" excuse about a literal Nazi tattoo and content to shrug off reports of borderline-violent behavior towards women that would draw immediate and visceral condemnation if the guy in question wasn't running for Senate in a hotly contested midterm election cycle.

The thing about values is that they can be very slippery. It's easy to subjectively shift them to fit the conveniences and needs of the moment. If a value is truly, deeply held one will remain true to it even (perhaps especially) when doing so carries a cost. And if that value shifts to allow for that moment of convenience, it comes across a lot like that value wasn't all that important to begin with.

I understand the importance of capturing the Senate in the midterms. I get that control of both houses of Congress is key to defanging Trump's agenda for the remainder of his term. I'm just not certain that abandoning certain values is a cost that's worth the price because once those values start slipping away it'll get easier and easier to compromise them when convenient or necessary.

Just my view from the outside looking in.

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The Seasaw with Graham Platner [View all] Chasstev365 Yesterday OP
8 different women accusing Franken wasn't a hit EdmondDantes_ Yesterday #1
You are making astute and accurate comments. Irish_Dem Yesterday #5
Hit job. . AloeVera Yesterday #25
total f*cking hit job DoBW Yesterday #65
Eight women, some of whom made ridiculous mzmolly Yesterday #70
Yup. lostincalifornia 22 hrs ago #79
It helps to listen to him talk policy Ziggy Beans Yesterday #2
I particularly like the Stewart interview al bupp 21 hrs ago #81
Agreed ABC123Easy Yesterday #3
"Are these Nazis in the room with you right now?" Emile Yesterday #4
Not that I'm aware of ABC123Easy Yesterday #6
No, but if we had a drink every time you posted about a Nazi tattoo, Emile Yesterday #9
I doubt ABC123Easy Yesterday #14
I salute your liver's dedication to your cause. Emile Yesterday #19
Thank you ABC123Easy Yesterday #20
Hang in there.... FarPoint Yesterday #37
Thank you ABC123Easy Yesterday #42
Some people are getting drunk on trolling n/t Just_Vote_Dem Yesterday #18
Some people are yes ABC123Easy Yesterday #21
Yes you can. BannonsLiver Yesterday #49
Feeling ABC123Easy Yesterday #53
Forum rules against bashing Democratic candidates. mr715 Yesterday #60
I'm aware of all of that. ABC123Easy Yesterday #61
Am I making a threat? mr715 Yesterday #62
I took that as a threat, yes ABC123Easy Yesterday #63
I'm explicitly stating I would not. mr715 Yesterday #64
I've ABC123Easy Yesterday #66
I apologize if I gave the impression I am attacking you. mr715 Yesterday #67
Thank you. ABC123Easy Yesterday #68
Gosh, I had no idea what a Nazi Tattoo was. Chasstev365 Yesterday #29
Thanks for admitting you wouldn't vote for a Democrat Just_Vote_Dem Yesterday #7
This is a Democratic Messaging board? ABC123Easy Yesterday #11
He has not been nominated yet. LisaL Yesterday #30
The Primary is still in contest FarPoint Yesterday #38
Yes, and I would vote for Mills, Platner, or any other Democrat nominated Just_Vote_Dem Yesterday #40
And you ignore the consequences of having Susan Collins voting in the Senate rather than Plattner NoRethugFriends Yesterday #8
So you you ignore the consequences of having Nazi sympathizers in the US Senate? ABC123Easy Yesterday #17
Millions. LisaL Yesterday #31
Agreed ABC123Easy Yesterday #34
That's so stupid!!! nt LAS14 Yesterday #47
I agree ABC123Easy Yesterday #52
So, you ARE OK with six more years of Susan Collins? MineralMan Yesterday #10
And they think they're fooling people Just_Vote_Dem Yesterday #12
I know, right? MineralMan Yesterday #13
Can you explain why a tattoo two people have said he called his totenkopf is funny? EdmondDantes_ Yesterday #15
No joke. It's a tattoo. MineralMan Yesterday #16
Weird that you were rolling on the floor laughing if it wasn't a joke EdmondDantes_ Yesterday #22
Just keep on keeping on, dude... MineralMan Yesterday #24
The last picture I saw, it looked like the state of Ohio. Emile Yesterday #23
When this all started and I first saw his tat, I thought " looks like darth vader to me" questionseverything Yesterday #27
After the story about his Nazi tattoo came into the open, LisaL Yesterday #28
Excuse me, but who between Platner and Collins has been supporting Nazis? MadameButterfly Yesterday #69
You're excused? ABC123Easy Yesterday #71
Usually people are concerned with Nazi tattoos MadameButterfly 23 hrs ago #72
Okay..... ABC123Easy 23 hrs ago #73
Sorry, when you said earlier that you "wouldn't" vote for Platner MadameButterfly 23 hrs ago #75
Well, well ABC123Easy 23 hrs ago #76
now you are just being intentially obtuse MadameButterfly 22 hrs ago #78
Hey ABC123Easy 22 hrs ago #80
You are helping Collins by trying to take support from platner, the only candidate polling well enough to beat Collins questionseverything 22 hrs ago #77
Look, if you want to vote for a guy with a Nazi tattoo, LisaL Yesterday #26
Susan Collins represents a deadly cancer to the body that needs immediate removal to have a chance for survival. aeromanKC Yesterday #32
He has not been nominated yet. LisaL Yesterday #33
I'm not from Maine, but I would only want the best chance to eliminate Collins. aeromanKC Yesterday #35
What makes him a best chance? LisaL Yesterday #36
I was originally for Mills since she had proven she can win statewide race. aeromanKC Yesterday #39
Disclaimer: I don't live in Maine so my vote doesn't make a damn bit of difference here. Let's get that out of the way. Jedi Guy Yesterday #41
No one except the MAGA base LAS14 Yesterday #45
Kind of proves my point, though, doesn't it? Jedi Guy Yesterday #48
My values. LAS14 Yesterday #46
"Get real." Jedi Guy Yesterday #50
Why is it so hard? LAS14 Yesterday #54
I don't bill myself as a scholar on Nazism but I recognized it as soon as I saw it. Jedi Guy Yesterday #57
What makes it different from other skulls and crossbones? nt LAS14 Yesterday #58
I was anti-Platner until the latest ratf*** WSHazel Yesterday #43
Two possible reactions to the latest Platner news. LAS14 Yesterday #44
Fuck this shit. CivicGrief Yesterday #51
Maine here... ExtraGriz Yesterday #55
+1 Emile 17 hrs ago #82
Useful Rules for Fielding/Supporting Candidates delisen Yesterday #56
That and a nickel will get you a CivicGrief Yesterday #59
Thanks for your response. delisen 23 hrs ago #74
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