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orthoclad

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47. There was a great post on here a few years ago,

Sun Jun 28, 2026, 12:15 PM

Jun 28

which gave stats on about a dozen reasons people didn't vote. Some were various blockages. I wish I had bookmarked that.

Here's a newer source:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/195874/reasons-for-not-voting-in-the-us-presidential-elections-2008/?srsltid=AfmBOoqflgHr2-EEWA-DrEjnW6T3eJaui9nnGgD7M8c4Qwe0iNUBRtJK#statisticContainer

Reasons for registered voters not voting in the presidential election in the United States in 2024
In 2024, 14.7 percent of non-voters said that they did not like the candidates or campaign issues, and therefore did not vote in the 2024 U.S. presidential election. A further 19.7 percent of non-voters said they did not vote because they were not interested.

I couldn't link the pie chart, but about half of the chart boiled down to barriers of various sorts.

About 90 M people did not vote in 2024, a larger number than either T or H got.
Using rough figures,
.15x90M= 13.5M
.2X90M = 18M

Either one of these numbers coulda swung it.

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I was sobered to see some of the details of the revised DSA platform. [View all] LAS14 Jun 28 OP

Just makes no sense and will convince many that the Dem party is not a left party but a communist one. efhmc Jun 28 #1

Cite on closing prisons? WhiskeyGrinder Jun 28 #2

There is this point about mass incarceration Bluetus Jun 28 #9

Right, I saw that part, which is a bare-ass minimum place to start. But didn't see anything about abolishing prisons. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 28 #11

The reason that you H2O Man Jun 28 #15

If the "some people" happens to be, or become, the majority of voters RandomNumbers Jun 28 #65

Darializa Avila Chevalier won the primary MichMan Jun 28 #20

Deleted tweets are not a platform, though. The OP said it was the platform. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 28 #24

It was so sobering, the platform that the OP definitely read Prairie Gates Jun 28 #36

Right, but suggests where her mindset is or was. And if "was" is apt, then RandomNumbers Jun 28 #66

She has, so you don't need to worry about it. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 28 #72

Link? RandomNumbers Jun 28 #74

She is the official Democratic nominee for that seat in the House. yardwork Jun 28 #88

It was a safe Democratic seat all along MichMan Jun 28 #90

Never underestimate the forces against us. yardwork Jun 28 #93

Excellent points. RandomNumbers Jun 28 #94

Exactly! yardwork Jun 28 #95

Thanks for solving the mystery. nt LAS14 Jun 28 #67

Here is a link to her platform as a now 32 year old candidate for congress Quiet Em Jun 28 #69

Everyone who accepted Platner's apologies, MorbidButterflyTat Jun 28 #89

I wish I knew when she decided to delete the Twitter account. LAS14 Jun 28 #111

It doesn't exist. Wiz Imp Jun 28 #59

I was watching the statement scroll by on Smerconish, but can't... LAS14 Jun 28 #64

Bend over to reach across the aisle orthoclad Jun 28 #3

I think you are close to the point but missing it still bottomofthehill Jun 28 #4

Dems look crazy? WhiskeyGrinder Jun 28 #6

*IF* someone believes the D platform says "abolish prisons" then HELL YES RandomNumbers Jun 28 #48

Also, if that belief is out there and some D has it in their platform RandomNumbers Jun 28 #50

This! FalloutShelter Jun 28 #8

The "gifts" we keep handing the Republicans is NO PLAN Bluetus Jun 28 #16

Gaslighting absurdity. The fictional polling data and the claims that Democrats have "no real platform" ignores reality. QueerDuck Jun 28 #105

I think I was clear that I was talking about multiple generations Bluetus Jun 28 #107

The goalposts keep moving. QueerDuck Jun 29 #116

Several points Bluetus Jun 29 #119

Let's be honest here, okay? Democrats have not "sat back on 40-year-old laurels"... QueerDuck Jun 29 #122

OK, we can disagree about how much real fight there has been versus posturing Bluetus Jun 29 #124

The majority of that 1/3 H2O Man Jun 28 #18

There was a great post on here a few years ago, orthoclad Jun 28 #47

Do you have a link to that? Thanks n/t leftstreet Jun 28 #5

I don't. I saw it scroll by on Smerconish. But others do. Also, see my OP edit. nt LAS14 Jun 28 #68

You can find the platform here. There are 'sobering' items you did not mention. RandomNumbers Jun 28 #71

Look, we can't be afraid of Republicans twisting our words. We KNOW that will happen. Bluetus Jun 28 #7

thank you for posting this! mike_c Jun 28 #14

Here are countries that are largely Democratic Socialist nations Bluetus Jun 28 #19

if I'm not mistaken all those countries have a mix... mike_c Jun 28 #53

Maybe candidates should say "regulated capitalism" then. RandomNumbers Jun 28 #70

I'm good with that mike_c Jun 28 #75

Or "Level Playing-field Capitalism" Bluetus Jun 28 #79

That'll work. But I think RandomNumbers Jun 28 #82

Personally I would not use the word "regulated." It is inherently negative. Bluetus Jun 28 #86

Senator Warren said/says exactly that. mjvpi Jun 28 #101

You write of "the Democrats" and "the DSA" as if they are two entirely separate wnylib Jun 28 #21

That is all valid, IMHO Bluetus Jun 28 #27

FDR would have approved of freely crossing borders wnylib Jun 28 #97

You make some good points. However, in a negotiation Bluetus Jun 28 #108

Right? If you ask for exactly what you want Bettie Jun 29 #117

And when you don't ask for anything at all? Bluetus Jun 29 #121

DSA is not a party. yardwork Jun 28 #28

They sure aren't playing nice for being different wings of the same party MichMan Jun 28 #55

Wow...that is literally NOTHING like Bettie Jun 28 #25

To be fair to the OP Bluetus Jun 28 #29

Members of DSA are welcome to create any list of goals they wish. yardwork Jun 28 #30

And we should have goals that are not currently attainable Bettie Jun 28 #40

I agree. yardwork Jun 28 #42

Republicans can twist anything Bettie Jun 28 #32

+10000 Bluetus Jun 28 #35

Many would disagree with you. Igel Jun 28 #44

This message was self-deleted by its author MichMan Jun 28 #54

The Democratic Socialist Party isn't the Democratic Party. patphil Jun 28 #10

DSA is not a political party. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 28 #12

That is true, but I bet if a survey asked voters to pick which statement they agree with more, RandomNumbers Jun 28 #62

. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 28 #76

I don't remember "defund the police" being in the official platform either RandomNumbers Jun 28 #78

"Defund the police means defund the police" -- as one put it, had supporters in Congress. betsuni Jun 28 #99

And don't forget DSA's position on "Open Borders" ... QueerDuck Jun 28 #102

Law and order, border -- going to be a serious problem. betsuni Jun 28 #104

I don't worry about Republican attack ads AZProgressive Jun 28 #110

"Regulated international commerce" is not what "Open Borders" means. QueerDuck Jun 29 #112

For context and so people can have actual information to form opinions... Nanjeanne Jun 28 #13

DSA is not affiliated with the Democratic Party. yardwork Jun 28 #17

Weren't they included in the Democratic primary? MichMan Jun 28 #23

DSA is not a party. yardwork Jun 28 #26

I will be voting for every Democrat Bluetus Jun 28 #31

Candidates need to present what will win their election, that is (hopefully) RandomNumbers Jun 28 #58

Not just holding the gavel. yardwork Jun 28 #80

Thank you, 100% correct. RandomNumbers Jun 28 #83

Needs to be repeated, and false claims Dems in minority could stop Republicans if they wanted to pushed back on. betsuni Jun 28 #96

Completely agree. The "purity test" platforms ignore the reality of competitive districts. QueerDuck Jun 28 #22

Please tell me what district does NOT want Bluetus Jun 28 #33

I hope you will consider running for office. yardwork Jun 28 #34

I have a strong belief that people my age should not be deciding the future Bluetus Jun 28 #38

this septuagenarian agrees! mike_c Jun 28 #57

We have a corporate/advertising-dominated culture Bluetus Jun 28 #77

Those mainstream goals aren't what makes the platform fringe. QueerDuck Jun 28 #45

Where does it say "close all prisons" and "nationalize all industries"? Bluetus Jun 28 #84

Please don't gaslight me. It says it right in the official, published DSA Platform. QueerDuck Jun 28 #92

I take your point. So, we don't have to accept everything the DSA people wrote. Bluetus Jun 28 #106

I completely agree with you on the principle: the profit motive has absolutely no place in prisons or healthcare. QueerDuck Jun 29 #115

My argument is that we would get those majorities if Bluetus Jun 29 #118

The issue is not a lack of campaign courage; it is the gap between campaign goals and structural reality. QueerDuck Jun 29 #120

There is EVERYTHING vague about those things Bluetus Jun 29 #123

Trump's already there, govt owned corps adam_vermont Jun 28 #37

If you were sobered, may I suggest you drink more. mr715 Jun 28 #39

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 29 #113

This is simply a social democratic platform. Link here David__77 Jun 28 #41

Fear Cirsium Jun 28 #43

I'd be willing to bet The Madcap Jun 28 #46

If "changing ownership of large corporations to public ownership" is scarry to non-progressives I in2herbs Jun 28 #49

Bye orangecrush Jun 28 #51

Here, from their website, is the list of things they call "What We Fight For": Wiz Imp Jun 28 #52

This was on their website as well MichMan Jun 28 #56

Yep. That is correct, IMO mike_c Jun 28 #63

So, they are anti Democratic Party then. RandomNumbers Jun 28 #73

I completely disagree that they are anti-Democratic Party mike_c Jun 28 #85

Yes, they are. Agree with ranked choice or other. betsuni Jun 28 #103

Not at all. Should have never been allowed in the first place. Blue Full Moon Jun 28 #60

Trump.has been negotiating deals with corporations Klarkashton Jun 28 #61

I personally more interested in fighting the Republican Party and it's harmful affects walkingman Jun 28 #81

This! Vote for the Democrat in November! yardwork Jun 28 #87

It pisses me off that people think one person can change EVERYTHING without having help. dave99 Jun 28 #91

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 29 #114

Look at the platform of the Democrats 50 years ago - resembles the DSA platform OutNow Jun 28 #98

It's fascinating to read all the past D platforms Nanjeanne Jun 28 #100

Like I said in another thread AZProgressive Jun 28 #109