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Wiz Imp

(10,857 posts)
59. It doesn't exist.
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 12:36 PM
Sunday

This is the DSA "political platform" as listed here:
https://precariousstate.com/dsa-political-platform/
Our Platform
Deepening and Strengthening Democracy
Abolition of the Carceral State
Abolition of White Supremacy
A Powerful Labor Movement
Economic Justice
Gender and Sexuality Justice
Green New Deal
Health Justice
Housing for All
International Solidarity and Immigration Justice

You can see it calls for the "Abolition of the Carceral State" which is not the same as calling to abolish all prisons. Here in detail is what they mean by this:
Abolition of the Carceral State

The power to create a truly democratic society is found in the organization and self-activity of the working class. The tools of our opposition, enforcing our exploitation and oppression under capitalism, are the repressive forces of the state. A vast, brutal machinery of police and prisons, security and surveillance agencies, immigration and border enforcement, courts and prosecutors all assembled to disorganize working class communities through the routine application of violence, intimidation, and coercion.

Incarceration, detention and policing are active instruments of class war which guarantee the domination of the working class and reproduce racial inequalities. The origins of policing and prisons and their present-day effects demonstrate that they are are white supremacist institutions. Yet these same institutions, in their prosecution of disproportionate violence on Black, Indigenous and other people of color, have consequences for the whole of the working class — they widen divisions between people, legitimize the expansion of police power, and accelerate institutional incentives to violate and imprison millions of people.

For all of the working class to achieve collective liberation we must constrain, diminish, and abolish the carceral forces of the state — from prisons and police themselves, to their manifestations in all forms throughout society. Each step forward in reducing the size, power, and authority of the repressive forces of the state expands the space for mass, organized, and collective action of the working class, and clears ground for us to build the institutions of a society to serve our communities with real justice and equality.

DSA nationally endorses the 8 to Abolition demands, which are a basis for our own.

I assume people aare jumping on this statement:
we must constrain, diminish, and abolish the carceral forces of the state — from prisons and police themselves, to their manifestations in all forms throughout society.

It should be obvious to anyone with any amount of reading comprehension that this is not the same as explicitly calling to abolish all prisons and police.

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Just makes no sense and will convince many that the Dem party is not a left party but a communist one. efhmc Sunday #1
Cite on closing prisons? WhiskeyGrinder Sunday #2
There is this point about mass incarceration Bluetus Sunday #9
Right, I saw that part, which is a bare-ass minimum place to start. But didn't see anything about abolishing prisons. WhiskeyGrinder Sunday #11
The reason that you H2O Man Sunday #15
If the "some people" happens to be, or become, the majority of voters RandomNumbers Sunday #65
Darializa Avila Chevalier won the primary MichMan Sunday #20
Deleted tweets are not a platform, though. The OP said it was the platform. WhiskeyGrinder Sunday #24
It was so sobering, the platform that the OP definitely read Prairie Gates Sunday #36
Right, but suggests where her mindset is or was. And if "was" is apt, then RandomNumbers Sunday #66
She has, so you don't need to worry about it. WhiskeyGrinder Sunday #72
Link? RandomNumbers Sunday #74
She is the official Democratic nominee for that seat in the House. yardwork Sunday #88
It was a safe Democratic seat all along MichMan Sunday #90
Never underestimate the forces against us. yardwork Sunday #93
Excellent points. RandomNumbers Sunday #94
Exactly! yardwork Sunday #95
Thanks for solving the mystery. nt LAS14 Sunday #67
Here is a link to her platform as a now 32 year old candidate for congress Quiet Em Sunday #69
Everyone who accepted Platner's apologies, MorbidButterflyTat Sunday #89
I wish I knew when she decided to delete the Twitter account. LAS14 Sunday #111
It doesn't exist. Wiz Imp Sunday #59
I was watching the statement scroll by on Smerconish, but can't... LAS14 Sunday #64
Bend over to reach across the aisle orthoclad Sunday #3
I think you are close to the point but missing it still bottomofthehill Sunday #4
Dems look crazy? WhiskeyGrinder Sunday #6
*IF* someone believes the D platform says "abolish prisons" then HELL YES RandomNumbers Sunday #48
Also, if that belief is out there and some D has it in their platform RandomNumbers Sunday #50
This! FalloutShelter Sunday #8
The "gifts" we keep handing the Republicans is NO PLAN Bluetus Sunday #16
Gaslighting absurdity. The fictional polling data and the claims that Democrats have "no real platform" ignores reality. QueerDuck Sunday #105
I think I was clear that I was talking about multiple generations Bluetus Sunday #107
The goalposts keep moving. QueerDuck 22 hrs ago #116
Several points Bluetus 19 hrs ago #119
Let's be honest here, okay? Democrats have not "sat back on 40-year-old laurels"... QueerDuck 19 hrs ago #122
OK, we can disagree about how much real fight there has been versus posturing Bluetus 19 hrs ago #124
The majority of that 1/3 H2O Man Sunday #18
There was a great post on here a few years ago, orthoclad Sunday #47
Do you have a link to that? Thanks n/t leftstreet Sunday #5
I don't. I saw it scroll by on Smerconish. But others do. Also, see my OP edit. nt LAS14 Sunday #68
You can find the platform here. There are 'sobering' items you did not mention. RandomNumbers Sunday #71
Look, we can't be afraid of Republicans twisting our words. We KNOW that will happen. Bluetus Sunday #7
thank you for posting this! mike_c Sunday #14
Here are countries that are largely Democratic Socialist nations Bluetus Sunday #19
if I'm not mistaken all those countries have a mix... mike_c Sunday #53
Maybe candidates should say "regulated capitalism" then. RandomNumbers Sunday #70
I'm good with that mike_c Sunday #75
Or "Level Playing-field Capitalism" Bluetus Sunday #79
That'll work. But I think RandomNumbers Sunday #82
Personally I would not use the word "regulated." It is inherently negative. Bluetus Sunday #86
Senator Warren said/says exactly that. mjvpi Sunday #101
You write of "the Democrats" and "the DSA" as if they are two entirely separate wnylib Sunday #21
That is all valid, IMHO Bluetus Sunday #27
FDR would have approved of freely crossing borders wnylib Sunday #97
You make some good points. However, in a negotiation Bluetus Sunday #108
Right? If you ask for exactly what you want Bettie 22 hrs ago #117
And when you don't ask for anything at all? Bluetus 19 hrs ago #121
DSA is not a party. yardwork Sunday #28
They sure aren't playing nice for being different wings of the same party MichMan Sunday #55
Wow...that is literally NOTHING like Bettie Sunday #25
To be fair to the OP Bluetus Sunday #29
Members of DSA are welcome to create any list of goals they wish. yardwork Sunday #30
And we should have goals that are not currently attainable Bettie Sunday #40
I agree. yardwork Sunday #42
Republicans can twist anything Bettie Sunday #32
+10000 Bluetus Sunday #35
Many would disagree with you. Igel Sunday #44
This message was self-deleted by its author MichMan Sunday #54
The Democratic Socialist Party isn't the Democratic Party. patphil Sunday #10
DSA is not a political party. WhiskeyGrinder Sunday #12
That is true, but I bet if a survey asked voters to pick which statement they agree with more, RandomNumbers Sunday #62
. WhiskeyGrinder Sunday #76
I don't remember "defund the police" being in the official platform either RandomNumbers Sunday #78
"Defund the police means defund the police" -- as one put it, had supporters in Congress. betsuni Sunday #99
And don't forget DSA's position on "Open Borders" ... QueerDuck Sunday #102
Law and order, border -- going to be a serious problem. betsuni Sunday #104
I don't worry about Republican attack ads AZProgressive Sunday #110
"Regulated international commerce" is not what "Open Borders" means. QueerDuck Yesterday #112
For context and so people can have actual information to form opinions... Nanjeanne Sunday #13
DSA is not affiliated with the Democratic Party. yardwork Sunday #17
Weren't they included in the Democratic primary? MichMan Sunday #23
DSA is not a party. yardwork Sunday #26
I will be voting for every Democrat Bluetus Sunday #31
Candidates need to present what will win their election, that is (hopefully) RandomNumbers Sunday #58
Not just holding the gavel. yardwork Sunday #80
Thank you, 100% correct. RandomNumbers Sunday #83
Needs to be repeated, and false claims Dems in minority could stop Republicans if they wanted to pushed back on. betsuni Sunday #96
Completely agree. The "purity test" platforms ignore the reality of competitive districts. QueerDuck Sunday #22
Please tell me what district does NOT want Bluetus Sunday #33
I hope you will consider running for office. yardwork Sunday #34
I have a strong belief that people my age should not be deciding the future Bluetus Sunday #38
this septuagenarian agrees! mike_c Sunday #57
We have a corporate/advertising-dominated culture Bluetus Sunday #77
Those mainstream goals aren't what makes the platform fringe. QueerDuck Sunday #45
Where does it say "close all prisons" and "nationalize all industries"? Bluetus Sunday #84
Please don't gaslight me. It says it right in the official, published DSA Platform. QueerDuck Sunday #92
I take your point. So, we don't have to accept everything the DSA people wrote. Bluetus Sunday #106
I completely agree with you on the principle: the profit motive has absolutely no place in prisons or healthcare. QueerDuck 23 hrs ago #115
My argument is that we would get those majorities if Bluetus 20 hrs ago #118
The issue is not a lack of campaign courage; it is the gap between campaign goals and structural reality. QueerDuck 19 hrs ago #120
There is EVERYTHING vague about those things Bluetus 19 hrs ago #123
Trump's already there, govt owned corps adam_vermont Sunday #37
If you were sobered, may I suggest you drink more. mr715 Sunday #39
Message auto-removed Name removed 23 hrs ago #113
This is simply a social democratic platform. Link here David__77 Sunday #41
Fear Cirsium Sunday #43
I'd be willing to bet The Madcap Sunday #46
If "changing ownership of large corporations to public ownership" is scarry to non-progressives I in2herbs Sunday #49
Bye orangecrush Sunday #51
Here, from their website, is the list of things they call "What We Fight For": Wiz Imp Sunday #52
This was on their website as well MichMan Sunday #56
Yep. That is correct, IMO mike_c Sunday #63
So, they are anti Democratic Party then. RandomNumbers Sunday #73
I completely disagree that they are anti-Democratic Party mike_c Sunday #85
Yes, they are. Agree with ranked choice or other. betsuni Sunday #103
Not at all. Should have never been allowed in the first place. Blue Full Moon Sunday #60
Trump.has been negotiating deals with corporations Klarkashton Sunday #61
I personally more interested in fighting the Republican Party and it's harmful affects walkingman Sunday #81
This! Vote for the Democrat in November! yardwork Sunday #87
It pisses me off that people think one person can change EVERYTHING without having help. dave99 Sunday #91
Message auto-removed Name removed 23 hrs ago #114
Look at the platform of the Democrats 50 years ago - resembles the DSA platform OutNow Sunday #98
It's fascinating to read all the past D platforms Nanjeanne Sunday #100
Like I said in another thread AZProgressive Sunday #109
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