General Discussion

Bluetus

(3,344 posts)

84. Where does it say "close all prisons" and "nationalize all industries"?

Sun Jun 28, 2026, 01:41 PM

Yesterday

Are you just repeating Trump talking ponts?

Yes, every single for-profit prison should be closed and we should find ways to lower out incarceration rate, at least to CHina's levelm which is still way too high. There should never be a profit motive for putting a person in prison. There should never be a profit motive for denying health care.

These are not radical ideas. I bet 8% of Americans would agree with those statements. The problem is that most Democrats will never make any such specific statements. They talk about "affordability", but rarely say what they would actually do.

Platitudes are not plans., and platitudes motivate no voters. We need specifics. So tell me why you think for-profit prisons should be part of our system.

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

Recommendations

3 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

OhioBack2Blue OhioBack2Blue luv2fly

124 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

I was sobered to see some of the details of the revised DSA platform. [View all] LAS14 Yesterday OP

Just makes no sense and will convince many that the Dem party is not a left party but a communist one. efhmc Yesterday #1

Cite on closing prisons? WhiskeyGrinder Yesterday #2

There is this point about mass incarceration Bluetus Yesterday #9

Right, I saw that part, which is a bare-ass minimum place to start. But didn't see anything about abolishing prisons. WhiskeyGrinder Yesterday #11

The reason that you H2O Man Yesterday #15

If the "some people" happens to be, or become, the majority of voters RandomNumbers Yesterday #65

Darializa Avila Chevalier won the primary MichMan Yesterday #20

Deleted tweets are not a platform, though. The OP said it was the platform. WhiskeyGrinder Yesterday #24

It was so sobering, the platform that the OP definitely read Prairie Gates Yesterday #36

Right, but suggests where her mindset is or was. And if "was" is apt, then RandomNumbers Yesterday #66

She has, so you don't need to worry about it. WhiskeyGrinder Yesterday #72

Link? RandomNumbers Yesterday #74

She is the official Democratic nominee for that seat in the House. yardwork Yesterday #88

It was a safe Democratic seat all along MichMan Yesterday #90

Never underestimate the forces against us. yardwork Yesterday #93

Excellent points. RandomNumbers Yesterday #94

Exactly! yardwork Yesterday #95

Thanks for solving the mystery. nt LAS14 Yesterday #67

Here is a link to her platform as a now 32 year old candidate for congress Quiet Em Yesterday #69

Everyone who accepted Platner's apologies, MorbidButterflyTat Yesterday #89

I wish I knew when she decided to delete the Twitter account. LAS14 19 hrs ago #111

It doesn't exist. Wiz Imp Yesterday #59

I was watching the statement scroll by on Smerconish, but can't... LAS14 Yesterday #64

Bend over to reach across the aisle orthoclad Yesterday #3

I think you are close to the point but missing it still bottomofthehill Yesterday #4

Dems look crazy? WhiskeyGrinder Yesterday #6

*IF* someone believes the D platform says "abolish prisons" then HELL YES RandomNumbers Yesterday #48

Also, if that belief is out there and some D has it in their platform RandomNumbers Yesterday #50

This! FalloutShelter Yesterday #8

The "gifts" we keep handing the Republicans is NO PLAN Bluetus Yesterday #16

Gaslighting absurdity. The fictional polling data and the claims that Democrats have "no real platform" ignores reality. QueerDuck 22 hrs ago #105

I think I was clear that I was talking about multiple generations Bluetus 20 hrs ago #107

The goalposts keep moving. QueerDuck 7 hrs ago #116

Several points Bluetus 5 hrs ago #119

Let's be honest here, okay? Democrats have not "sat back on 40-year-old laurels"... QueerDuck 4 hrs ago #122

OK, we can disagree about how much real fight there has been versus posturing Bluetus 4 hrs ago #124

The majority of that 1/3 H2O Man Yesterday #18

There was a great post on here a few years ago, orthoclad Yesterday #47

Do you have a link to that? Thanks n/t leftstreet Yesterday #5

I don't. I saw it scroll by on Smerconish. But others do. Also, see my OP edit. nt LAS14 Yesterday #68

You can find the platform here. There are 'sobering' items you did not mention. RandomNumbers Yesterday #71

Look, we can't be afraid of Republicans twisting our words. We KNOW that will happen. Bluetus Yesterday #7

thank you for posting this! mike_c Yesterday #14

Here are countries that are largely Democratic Socialist nations Bluetus Yesterday #19

if I'm not mistaken all those countries have a mix... mike_c Yesterday #53

Maybe candidates should say "regulated capitalism" then. RandomNumbers Yesterday #70

I'm good with that mike_c Yesterday #75

Or "Level Playing-field Capitalism" Bluetus Yesterday #79

That'll work. But I think RandomNumbers Yesterday #82

Personally I would not use the word "regulated." It is inherently negative. Bluetus Yesterday #86

Senator Warren said/says exactly that. mjvpi 23 hrs ago #101

You write of "the Democrats" and "the DSA" as if they are two entirely separate wnylib Yesterday #21

That is all valid, IMHO Bluetus Yesterday #27

FDR would have approved of freely crossing borders wnylib Yesterday #97

You make some good points. However, in a negotiation Bluetus 19 hrs ago #108

Right? If you ask for exactly what you want Bettie 7 hrs ago #117

And when you don't ask for anything at all? Bluetus 4 hrs ago #121

DSA is not a party. yardwork Yesterday #28

They sure aren't playing nice for being different wings of the same party MichMan Yesterday #55

Wow...that is literally NOTHING like Bettie Yesterday #25

To be fair to the OP Bluetus Yesterday #29

Members of DSA are welcome to create any list of goals they wish. yardwork Yesterday #30

And we should have goals that are not currently attainable Bettie Yesterday #40

I agree. yardwork Yesterday #42

Republicans can twist anything Bettie Yesterday #32

+10000 Bluetus Yesterday #35

Many would disagree with you. Igel Yesterday #44

This message was self-deleted by its author MichMan Yesterday #54

The Democratic Socialist Party isn't the Democratic Party. patphil Yesterday #10

DSA is not a political party. WhiskeyGrinder Yesterday #12

That is true, but I bet if a survey asked voters to pick which statement they agree with more, RandomNumbers Yesterday #62

. WhiskeyGrinder Yesterday #76

I don't remember "defund the police" being in the official platform either RandomNumbers Yesterday #78

"Defund the police means defund the police" -- as one put it, had supporters in Congress. betsuni 23 hrs ago #99

And don't forget DSA's position on "Open Borders" ... QueerDuck 22 hrs ago #102

Law and order, border -- going to be a serious problem. betsuni 22 hrs ago #104

I don't worry about Republican attack ads AZProgressive 19 hrs ago #110

"Regulated international commerce" is not what "Open Borders" means. QueerDuck 9 hrs ago #112

For context and so people can have actual information to form opinions... Nanjeanne Yesterday #13

DSA is not affiliated with the Democratic Party. yardwork Yesterday #17

Weren't they included in the Democratic primary? MichMan Yesterday #23

DSA is not a party. yardwork Yesterday #26

I will be voting for every Democrat Bluetus Yesterday #31

Candidates need to present what will win their election, that is (hopefully) RandomNumbers Yesterday #58

Not just holding the gavel. yardwork Yesterday #80

Thank you, 100% correct. RandomNumbers Yesterday #83

Needs to be repeated, and false claims Dems in minority could stop Republicans if they wanted to pushed back on. betsuni Yesterday #96

Completely agree. The "purity test" platforms ignore the reality of competitive districts. QueerDuck Yesterday #22

Please tell me what district does NOT want Bluetus Yesterday #33

I hope you will consider running for office. yardwork Yesterday #34

I have a strong belief that people my age should not be deciding the future Bluetus Yesterday #38

this septuagenarian agrees! mike_c Yesterday #57

We have a corporate/advertising-dominated culture Bluetus Yesterday #77

Those mainstream goals aren't what makes the platform fringe. QueerDuck Yesterday #45

Where does it say "close all prisons" and "nationalize all industries"? Bluetus Yesterday #84

Please don't gaslight me. It says it right in the official, published DSA Platform. QueerDuck Yesterday #92

I take your point. So, we don't have to accept everything the DSA people wrote. Bluetus 20 hrs ago #106

I completely agree with you on the principle: the profit motive has absolutely no place in prisons or healthcare. QueerDuck 8 hrs ago #115

My argument is that we would get those majorities if Bluetus 5 hrs ago #118

The issue is not a lack of campaign courage; it is the gap between campaign goals and structural reality. QueerDuck 4 hrs ago #120

There is EVERYTHING vague about those things Bluetus 4 hrs ago #123

Trump's already there, govt owned corps adam_vermont Yesterday #37

If you were sobered, may I suggest you drink more. mr715 Yesterday #39

Message auto-removed Name removed 9 hrs ago #113

This is simply a social democratic platform. Link here David__77 Yesterday #41

Fear Cirsium Yesterday #43

I'd be willing to bet The Madcap Yesterday #46

If "changing ownership of large corporations to public ownership" is scarry to non-progressives I in2herbs Yesterday #49

Bye orangecrush Yesterday #51

Here, from their website, is the list of things they call "What We Fight For": Wiz Imp Yesterday #52

This was on their website as well MichMan Yesterday #56

Yep. That is correct, IMO mike_c Yesterday #63

So, they are anti Democratic Party then. RandomNumbers Yesterday #73

I completely disagree that they are anti-Democratic Party mike_c Yesterday #85

Yes, they are. Agree with ranked choice or other. betsuni 22 hrs ago #103

Not at all. Should have never been allowed in the first place. Blue Full Moon Yesterday #60

Trump.has been negotiating deals with corporations Klarkashton Yesterday #61

I personally more interested in fighting the Republican Party and it's harmful affects walkingman Yesterday #81

This! Vote for the Democrat in November! yardwork Yesterday #87

It pisses me off that people think one person can change EVERYTHING without having help. dave99 Yesterday #91

Message auto-removed Name removed 8 hrs ago #114

Look at the platform of the Democrats 50 years ago - resembles the DSA platform OutNow Yesterday #98

It's fascinating to read all the past D platforms Nanjeanne 23 hrs ago #100

Like I said in another thread AZProgressive 19 hrs ago #109