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Bluetus

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121. And when you don't ask for anything at all?
Mon Jun 29, 2026, 10:26 AM
5 hrs ago

Which is where much of the party is. Mostly the rhetoric is in " Trump is a poopy head" mode with no unified vision of what we actually are asking for.

Another benefit of the " big ask" approach is that we get more media coverage and much of that is more on OUR terms.

Many of the issues in the DSA list have complexities that will require some time before the public can become comfortable with them. But we have two issues TODAY that stand out as being front-of-mind for large majorities and are begging for bold actions. And even less educated red districts are feeling these things. Those issues are the outrageous abuses by the mega-billionaires and the tsunami of AI and AI data centers. The public is outraged by both of these, and the Democratic Party ought to be out there with strong, bold, unified proposals in both areas. For example:

AI data centers: There is some discussion and proposed legislation for a moratorium until we can produce some white papers. OK. That's something, but it doesn't meet the moment. We should be talking about an immediate moratorium AND immediate attention on what it would take to permit some of this to move forward. And the "what would it take?" should include at least two areas: regulation of AI and impact on national resources (electricity and water mainly). We should be having a real discussion about holding the AI crowd legally and financially responsible for the damage their technology does -- no exclusions. And on the resource side, we could propose that every new data center must include the building of new carbon-neutral electricity generation in the amount TWICE what the data center will ever consume, and that extra electricity will flow to the taxpayers in the form of REDUCTIONS to our monthly bills. And something comparable for water, even if that means the data center people will have to build massive solar/wind-powered desalination plants.

That is an example of a bold proposal that would get media attention and give the public something to rally around.

And on the billionaires, there is already a strong consensus that billionaires are getting a free ride and should be forced to pay their "fair share". But how? There is little discussion of the modality of this, and that can quickly get beyond the financial understanding of most Americans. One thing all these ultra-billionaires have in common is OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY. Musk achieved his trillion by creating companies, hyping their potential, and awarding himself vast numbers of shares. In 95% of the cases, he has paid no tax on those share, yet is able to use them as if they were cash, buying and selling companies, getting loans etc. Same story with all of these guys. So one thing we could do, and this is admittedly technical, is to say whoever they deal themselves these options and stock grants, they are taxable at the highest rate just as soon as they try to use them like case. If they are used as collateral for bank loans. If they are used in a stock swap for acquisitions, or anything like that, they will immediately be taxed at, say, 50%. And such a provision need only apply to transactions greater than $50,000,000 for example. I'm sure a policy expert could come up with a better way to say this, but basically, it is an "Other People's Money Tax".

These are just examples of real, tangible policies we could be discussing to change the frame for discussion.

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Just makes no sense and will convince many that the Dem party is not a left party but a communist one. efhmc Yesterday #1
Cite on closing prisons? WhiskeyGrinder Yesterday #2
There is this point about mass incarceration Bluetus Yesterday #9
Right, I saw that part, which is a bare-ass minimum place to start. But didn't see anything about abolishing prisons. WhiskeyGrinder Yesterday #11
The reason that you H2O Man Yesterday #15
If the "some people" happens to be, or become, the majority of voters RandomNumbers Yesterday #65
Darializa Avila Chevalier won the primary MichMan Yesterday #20
Deleted tweets are not a platform, though. The OP said it was the platform. WhiskeyGrinder Yesterday #24
It was so sobering, the platform that the OP definitely read Prairie Gates Yesterday #36
Right, but suggests where her mindset is or was. And if "was" is apt, then RandomNumbers Yesterday #66
She has, so you don't need to worry about it. WhiskeyGrinder Yesterday #72
Link? RandomNumbers Yesterday #74
She is the official Democratic nominee for that seat in the House. yardwork Yesterday #88
It was a safe Democratic seat all along MichMan Yesterday #90
Never underestimate the forces against us. yardwork Yesterday #93
Excellent points. RandomNumbers Yesterday #94
Exactly! yardwork Yesterday #95
Thanks for solving the mystery. nt LAS14 Yesterday #67
Here is a link to her platform as a now 32 year old candidate for congress Quiet Em Yesterday #69
Everyone who accepted Platner's apologies, MorbidButterflyTat Yesterday #89
I wish I knew when she decided to delete the Twitter account. LAS14 20 hrs ago #111
It doesn't exist. Wiz Imp Yesterday #59
I was watching the statement scroll by on Smerconish, but can't... LAS14 Yesterday #64
Bend over to reach across the aisle orthoclad Yesterday #3
I think you are close to the point but missing it still bottomofthehill Yesterday #4
Dems look crazy? WhiskeyGrinder Yesterday #6
*IF* someone believes the D platform says "abolish prisons" then HELL YES RandomNumbers Yesterday #48
Also, if that belief is out there and some D has it in their platform RandomNumbers Yesterday #50
This! FalloutShelter Yesterday #8
The "gifts" we keep handing the Republicans is NO PLAN Bluetus Yesterday #16
Gaslighting absurdity. The fictional polling data and the claims that Democrats have "no real platform" ignores reality. QueerDuck 23 hrs ago #105
I think I was clear that I was talking about multiple generations Bluetus 21 hrs ago #107
The goalposts keep moving. QueerDuck 8 hrs ago #116
Several points Bluetus 6 hrs ago #119
Let's be honest here, okay? Democrats have not "sat back on 40-year-old laurels"... QueerDuck 5 hrs ago #122
OK, we can disagree about how much real fight there has been versus posturing Bluetus 5 hrs ago #124
The majority of that 1/3 H2O Man Yesterday #18
There was a great post on here a few years ago, orthoclad Yesterday #47
Do you have a link to that? Thanks n/t leftstreet Yesterday #5
I don't. I saw it scroll by on Smerconish. But others do. Also, see my OP edit. nt LAS14 Yesterday #68
You can find the platform here. There are 'sobering' items you did not mention. RandomNumbers Yesterday #71
Look, we can't be afraid of Republicans twisting our words. We KNOW that will happen. Bluetus Yesterday #7
thank you for posting this! mike_c Yesterday #14
Here are countries that are largely Democratic Socialist nations Bluetus Yesterday #19
if I'm not mistaken all those countries have a mix... mike_c Yesterday #53
Maybe candidates should say "regulated capitalism" then. RandomNumbers Yesterday #70
I'm good with that mike_c Yesterday #75
Or "Level Playing-field Capitalism" Bluetus Yesterday #79
That'll work. But I think RandomNumbers Yesterday #82
Personally I would not use the word "regulated." It is inherently negative. Bluetus Yesterday #86
Senator Warren said/says exactly that. mjvpi Yesterday #101
You write of "the Democrats" and "the DSA" as if they are two entirely separate wnylib Yesterday #21
That is all valid, IMHO Bluetus Yesterday #27
FDR would have approved of freely crossing borders wnylib Yesterday #97
You make some good points. However, in a negotiation Bluetus 21 hrs ago #108
Right? If you ask for exactly what you want Bettie 8 hrs ago #117
And when you don't ask for anything at all? Bluetus 5 hrs ago #121
DSA is not a party. yardwork Yesterday #28
They sure aren't playing nice for being different wings of the same party MichMan Yesterday #55
Wow...that is literally NOTHING like Bettie Yesterday #25
To be fair to the OP Bluetus Yesterday #29
Members of DSA are welcome to create any list of goals they wish. yardwork Yesterday #30
And we should have goals that are not currently attainable Bettie Yesterday #40
I agree. yardwork Yesterday #42
Republicans can twist anything Bettie Yesterday #32
+10000 Bluetus Yesterday #35
Many would disagree with you. Igel Yesterday #44
This message was self-deleted by its author MichMan Yesterday #54
The Democratic Socialist Party isn't the Democratic Party. patphil Yesterday #10
DSA is not a political party. WhiskeyGrinder Yesterday #12
That is true, but I bet if a survey asked voters to pick which statement they agree with more, RandomNumbers Yesterday #62
. WhiskeyGrinder Yesterday #76
I don't remember "defund the police" being in the official platform either RandomNumbers Yesterday #78
"Defund the police means defund the police" -- as one put it, had supporters in Congress. betsuni Yesterday #99
And don't forget DSA's position on "Open Borders" ... QueerDuck Yesterday #102
Law and order, border -- going to be a serious problem. betsuni 23 hrs ago #104
I don't worry about Republican attack ads AZProgressive 20 hrs ago #110
"Regulated international commerce" is not what "Open Borders" means. QueerDuck 10 hrs ago #112
For context and so people can have actual information to form opinions... Nanjeanne Yesterday #13
DSA is not affiliated with the Democratic Party. yardwork Yesterday #17
Weren't they included in the Democratic primary? MichMan Yesterday #23
DSA is not a party. yardwork Yesterday #26
I will be voting for every Democrat Bluetus Yesterday #31
Candidates need to present what will win their election, that is (hopefully) RandomNumbers Yesterday #58
Not just holding the gavel. yardwork Yesterday #80
Thank you, 100% correct. RandomNumbers Yesterday #83
Needs to be repeated, and false claims Dems in minority could stop Republicans if they wanted to pushed back on. betsuni Yesterday #96
Completely agree. The "purity test" platforms ignore the reality of competitive districts. QueerDuck Yesterday #22
Please tell me what district does NOT want Bluetus Yesterday #33
I hope you will consider running for office. yardwork Yesterday #34
I have a strong belief that people my age should not be deciding the future Bluetus Yesterday #38
this septuagenarian agrees! mike_c Yesterday #57
We have a corporate/advertising-dominated culture Bluetus Yesterday #77
Those mainstream goals aren't what makes the platform fringe. QueerDuck Yesterday #45
Where does it say "close all prisons" and "nationalize all industries"? Bluetus Yesterday #84
Please don't gaslight me. It says it right in the official, published DSA Platform. QueerDuck Yesterday #92
I take your point. So, we don't have to accept everything the DSA people wrote. Bluetus 21 hrs ago #106
I completely agree with you on the principle: the profit motive has absolutely no place in prisons or healthcare. QueerDuck 9 hrs ago #115
My argument is that we would get those majorities if Bluetus 6 hrs ago #118
The issue is not a lack of campaign courage; it is the gap between campaign goals and structural reality. QueerDuck 5 hrs ago #120
There is EVERYTHING vague about those things Bluetus 5 hrs ago #123
Trump's already there, govt owned corps adam_vermont Yesterday #37
If you were sobered, may I suggest you drink more. mr715 Yesterday #39
Message auto-removed Name removed 10 hrs ago #113
This is simply a social democratic platform. Link here David__77 Yesterday #41
Fear Cirsium Yesterday #43
I'd be willing to bet The Madcap Yesterday #46
If "changing ownership of large corporations to public ownership" is scarry to non-progressives I in2herbs Yesterday #49
Bye orangecrush Yesterday #51
Here, from their website, is the list of things they call "What We Fight For": Wiz Imp Yesterday #52
This was on their website as well MichMan Yesterday #56
Yep. That is correct, IMO mike_c Yesterday #63
So, they are anti Democratic Party then. RandomNumbers Yesterday #73
I completely disagree that they are anti-Democratic Party mike_c Yesterday #85
Yes, they are. Agree with ranked choice or other. betsuni 23 hrs ago #103
Not at all. Should have never been allowed in the first place. Blue Full Moon Yesterday #60
Trump.has been negotiating deals with corporations Klarkashton Yesterday #61
I personally more interested in fighting the Republican Party and it's harmful affects walkingman Yesterday #81
This! Vote for the Democrat in November! yardwork Yesterday #87
It pisses me off that people think one person can change EVERYTHING without having help. dave99 Yesterday #91
Message auto-removed Name removed 9 hrs ago #114
Look at the platform of the Democrats 50 years ago - resembles the DSA platform OutNow Yesterday #98
It's fascinating to read all the past D platforms Nanjeanne Yesterday #100
Like I said in another thread AZProgressive 20 hrs ago #109
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