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Cirsium

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45. No

Mon Jul 6, 2026, 12:04 PM

16 hrs ago

If you are explaining, you are losing.

Why are you worried about us appearing radical? Why are we talking about identity - "I am such and such." Don't operate within the Republican framing. That is extremely weak.

Trump is not trying to win voters with the "Communist" charge. He is playing us. He is trying to get us to flail around defending ourselves and arguing with each other, and it is working. Do not take the bait.

Don't people recognize the Republican playbook yet?

Trump: "they are Communists."

Gullible Democrats: "We are not Communists."

Trump: "they claim they aren't Communist, but who knows. Some very well respected people are saying, I saw that somewhere."

MSM for the next 6 months "let's discuss this hot issue. Trump claims Democrats are Communists. Is there any truth to that? Democrats claim they are not Communists, Our panel will discuss both sides."

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How to handle the Democrat equals Communist Bull Shit: [View all] Chasstev365 19 hrs ago OP

the proud boys will not be at our doors to discuss graduate school philosophy rampartd 19 hrs ago #1

lol - grad school philosophy? TBF 17 hrs ago #23

The response was about likelihood of an academic discussion with Proud Boys and MAGAts Roy Rolling 13 hrs ago #94

The point was the content, not the reading level. nt TBF 12 hrs ago #95

But only in groups! enigmania 9 hrs ago #103

When talking to the immature, one must speak at their level. liberal N proud 7 hrs ago #104

I thought dems were socialist? Now we are communists? Do they know ,? Srkdqltr 19 hrs ago #2

i got called a communist pinko pig in high school by my rop instructor. i wear thatt badge proudly!!!!!! AllaN01Bear 17 hrs ago #40

There isn't a Republican alive who knows the damn difference anymore, if they ever did. They've been pushing this shit Karasu 12 hrs ago #96

Yes i know. Srkdqltr 11 hrs ago #99

I have heard MAGAts use them together describing Democrats liberal N proud 7 hrs ago #105

Exactly! LakeVermilion 19 hrs ago #3

"I'm becoming a believer in a flat income tax rate for everyone with no deductions." MichMan 18 hrs ago #12

You'd be surprised what the "investor class" - TBF 17 hrs ago #24

I'm in. Joinfortmill 17 hrs ago #34

The rich typically have little "income" as it is defined in the tax code. harumph 18 hrs ago #15

This is exactly why we need and must implement a wealth tax in place of the income tax... Moostache 17 hrs ago #35

I could not have elaborated on this better. harumph 17 hrs ago #41

How would total wealth be calculated? MichMan 16 hrs ago #65

First off you'd need to define "wealth" - TBF 15 hrs ago #75

So, we don't want people to associate Democrat with Communist, but reference the writings of Karl Marx ? MichMan 15 hrs ago #76

Lol - I have never disparaged Marx - that's all you TBF 15 hrs ago #77

Marx correctly diagnosed a problem - even though the proposed cure was no good. harumph 15 hrs ago #80

I'd be happy with simply going after financial assets. KPN 11 hrs ago #97

Excellent summary of where we're at. nt TBF 15 hrs ago #73

hence "the rich need to pay their fair share in taxes" Skittles 15 hrs ago #86

A flat tax harms the poorest of us the most Bettie 16 hrs ago #56

100%. nt TBF 15 hrs ago #85

I don't think it's anything to get worked up about Kaleva 19 hrs ago #4

Even fewer know what an oligarch is. MichMan 16 hrs ago #53

With probably little effect Kaleva 15 hrs ago #71

If you are explaining why you aren't a communist, you are losing. gab13by13 19 hrs ago #5

So let Fox the GOP give you a label and do nothing so it sticks with idiot voters Chasstev365 18 hrs ago #9

I'm a Democrat, I support Democrats gab13by13 15 hrs ago #79

Calling them idiots and ignoring them hasn't exactly been working for the past 30 years either. meadowlander 13 hrs ago #93

Personally, I would just LMAO..... lastlib 19 hrs ago #6

Simple explanation: There are some things we can agree to share the cost of - Ocelot II 18 hrs ago #7

We currently have all of that under the current status quo MichMan 16 hrs ago #52

Yes, but the whole point is to avoid calling any of it socialism, Ocelot II 14 hrs ago #91

I'm not a pedophile! (Logic and discussion are cbabe 18 hrs ago #8

Easier: "Define communist/communism". No? Bye." niyad 18 hrs ago #10

Exactly. He who's explaining and defining... is losing. QueerDuck 16 hrs ago #67

Actually, that was not what I meant at all. When someone uses those niyad 10 hrs ago #100

Yes. My point was to agree with you... that Democrats (or liberals, or progressives) should... QueerDuck 10 hrs ago #102

Not afraid of Randall (republicans) anymore Blue Full Moon 18 hrs ago #11

I say they've only won 3 primaries out of the whole country creeksneakers2 18 hrs ago #13

But they are using a handful of candidates who call themselves socialists. SamuelAdams 18 hrs ago #14

They call themselves Democratic Socialists, not Socialists Wiz Imp 18 hrs ago #18

lol - they'll just come up with something else to call them TBF 17 hrs ago #26

The upcoming general election will pit candidates with an "R" behind their name against candidates with a "D"... Escape 18 hrs ago #16

Don't say New Deal SocialDemocrat61 18 hrs ago #17

I always say I like the Nordic model. That usually shuts them up. Joinfortmill 17 hrs ago #36

Nordic? SocialDemocrat61 17 hrs ago #42

Oh, for heaven sakes. Joinfortmill 16 hrs ago #54

Shouldn't we recognize SocialDemocrat61 16 hrs ago #58

I'm talking about the economic sytem... Joinfortmill 16 hrs ago #64

And the term Nordic SocialDemocrat61 16 hrs ago #68

I didn't create the name. It can be used to develop a basis Joinfortmill 15 hrs ago #69

So why shouldn't we come up with a better SocialDemocrat61 15 hrs ago #72

Editorial or a cite? Torchlight 16 hrs ago #59

Both and neither SocialDemocrat61 16 hrs ago #60

Editorial. Torchlight 16 hrs ago #61

Yes, SocialDemocrat61 16 hrs ago #62

Or anyone else under 100 years old. BannonsLiver 15 hrs ago #82

More importantly, a majority of Americans don't know what the New Deal is. progressoid 4 hrs ago #106

It really should not be hard to show people why they should be way more afraid of billionaires and... Ol Janx Spirit 18 hrs ago #19

Sounds good in theory BUT, Dave Id 18 hrs ago #20

Agree. When someone refuses to accept basic facts and reality, there spooky3 17 hrs ago #31

How about this angle MoseShrute 18 hrs ago #21

Given current beef, coffee and gas prices Torchlight 17 hrs ago #22

I don't believe in capitalism Farmer-Rick 17 hrs ago #25

Exactly capitalism needs poor people in order for that system to exist Alpeduez21 17 hrs ago #29

Gee, there are some capitalist countries out there with robust safety nets... harumph 14 hrs ago #90

Exactly right. Those countries have the "safety nets" but very few folks are falling into them. FadedMullet 10 hrs ago #101

Maybe the Dems in charge could get on board with the reality that socialist Dems are what the voters want Alpeduez21 17 hrs ago #27

Communism for billionaires keeps the oligarchs afloat bucolic_frolic 17 hrs ago #28

"In Communism, the government owns businesses (the means of spooky3 17 hrs ago #30

A 5th Grader could look up and understand the definition of "communist" William Seger 17 hrs ago #32

I like it. Short and simple. Even these bums can get it. Joinfortmill 17 hrs ago #33

Actually just let him ramble Blue Full Moon 17 hrs ago #37

Stop telling people you are a socialist Boo1 17 hrs ago #38

Way Simpler ProfessorGAC 17 hrs ago #39

Nope. Being affirmative with an unassailable label... reACTIONary 16 hrs ago #46

Nope - What I Said Is Not A Denial ProfessorGAC 16 hrs ago #63

What about both? The accusations about communists are stupid lies..... reACTIONary 15 hrs ago #74

That's Pretty Good ProfessorGAC 15 hrs ago #78

How defensive. That's a losing approach. David__77 16 hrs ago #43

As opposed to what? What would your approach be? reACTIONary 16 hrs ago #47

Go on the attack on something else. David__77 15 hrs ago #83

So, do a "pivot" to avoid .... reACTIONary 15 hrs ago #87

Yes he wants to play word games instead of talking about material issues David__77 14 hrs ago #88

Excellent! Avoid the socialist smear.... reACTIONary 16 hrs ago #44

No Cirsium 16 hrs ago #45

Found this on Facebook catbyte 16 hrs ago #48

Time to call Trump/GOP Nazis DemocracyForever 16 hrs ago #49

Great advice, totally logical and reasonable. But MAGAts will never accept the Democrats aren't communists because Martin68 16 hrs ago #50

Hand them a dictionary? krawhitham 16 hrs ago #51

We also need to attack: Here are three reasons why we say the Republican Party has been taken over by fascists... Doodley 16 hrs ago #55

Dem counties produce 70% of US economy. GOP counties contribute just 29%. blm 16 hrs ago #57

Keep it simple Blumancru 16 hrs ago #66

You're going to be a "communist" to them no matter what you say ck4829 15 hrs ago #70

This. Been that way for like 80 years. Why are people acting like this is news? This is the oldest trick in the book. Karasu 11 hrs ago #98

Jesus H Christ BannonsLiver 15 hrs ago #81

also add... mdbl 15 hrs ago #84

Basically a Democratic Capitalist. hadEnuf 14 hrs ago #89

Stay clear of Party for Socialism and Liberation. They are the communist party and trying infiltrate the LeftInTX 14 hrs ago #92