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moniss

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37. But at the heart of the matter is that with all of the bells and whistles
Sat Oct 11, 2025, 11:54 AM
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we have today on cars, in homes etc. we are a society where an ever larger proportion of the population cannot afford food and shelter for example. We are run and controlled by people who know the price of everything and the value of nothing. It is not sustainable. All of this tech is going around in a capitalist frenzy and not, as people point out, as a thing of the commons.

I am not saying we shouldn't do research and development. That development in medical care is valuable but keeping in mind that application and availability is at the mercy of capitalism and/or political favor. But what I am talking about is that for the general population to have all of the gizmos we have a strong objective case can be made that we are worse as people because of most of it.

It is the folly of human beings to look at a highly tech oriented and involved culture and think it is "ahead" of a culture in the Amazon for example. It is in fact ignorant arrogance. One is a frenzied, always needing more, stressed, judgemental society pushing itself and it's members to constantly consume and want more and more while the other is a culture that sustains itself without all of the tech gizmos and by any measure of happiness and satisfaction with life the simpler culture wins. Until the other culture comes along and disrupts them, takes from them, kills them off etc. But that takes us into a digression.

Simply put I make the case that we are worse off as human beings by flooding ourselves with tech. Our society may find itself awash in medical advancements but it is more obese, more stressed and less healthy overall than 40 years ago. We are less connected to family and we have deemed "social interaction" to be reading or sending an e-mail or text message. We have waiting rooms full of strangers who immerse themselves in their phones and ignore social interaction with the person next to them. In fact they do so many times to specifically avoid the possibility of an actual face to face interaction.

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Can we train AI EYESORE 9001 Saturday #1
Humans like money IronLionZion Saturday #19
I'm reminded of a story about capturing monkeys in the wild EYESORE 9001 Saturday #21
Who didn't see this coming? mwmisses4289 Saturday #2
They saw it coming OldBaldy1701E Saturday #4
Nonsense. They do care. It's money. It's a lot of money. Bernardo de La Paz Saturday #8
They knew they were being crazy with their ideas about growth and income and damage caused, and they still did it. OldBaldy1701E Saturday #22
Sure, they knew what they were doing--making claims and asking for funding. Igel Saturday #36
Maybe it's time dweller Saturday #3
When AI can actually do something, I will applaud UpInArms Saturday #5
"Until cars have rear view cameras they are just toys. Only good to play with." Bernardo de La Paz Saturday #6
This conversation illuminates why it's hard to predict winners and losers. yardwork Saturday #13
Yes. You share a good perspective. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Saturday #18
Zuckerberg, Gates, and many other billionaires have been funding medical research. yardwork Saturday #20
The scientists who intuitively "know" how to use AI to make medical discoveries will be rare. hunter Saturday #34
It's much bigger than that. yardwork Saturday #43
The notion that humans are infinitely repairable machines is absurd. hunter Saturday #63
Those are all very good points. yardwork Saturday #69
Business loves AI for one reason customerserviceguy Saturday #50
Yes, "tireless huckster". But no, there are lots of reasons for AI that have nothing to do with prying. . . .nt Bernardo de La Paz Saturday #51
So, Robots. They're on the way. thought crime Saturday #70
6 fingered ai portraits and they think it's going to run the world? Do they know humans only have 5? Blues Heron Saturday #7
LOL..how many toes did Traitor Green have in that picture of her months back? Bengus81 Saturday #10
Maintain that attitude and you will be overtaken by events. Bernardo de La Paz Saturday #11
Let me guess, you have ai stock Blues Heron Saturday #12
Anybody who has a retirement fund is invested in AI. yardwork Saturday #14
No wonder your into it. Divest now while you can, before the bubble bursts Blues Heron Saturday #16
Ok, that made me laugh. yardwork Saturday #17
And do what? Keep it in cash, losing value through inflation? Igel Saturday #39
As to the report, I've heard versions several times on CNBC and I think it is the truth Bernardo de La Paz Saturday #42
I've seen those same reports about AI buoying the U.S. economy. yardwork Saturday #44
And that's a problem. Many have no choice how their retirement is invested. AI company bubble bursts and bam Cheezoholic Saturday #26
Agreed. Human greed is a problem. yardwork Saturday #46
You can't attack the message, so you attack the messenger by alleging corruption (self-interest) Bernardo de La Paz Saturday #15
My little quibble: MrsCheaplaugh Saturday #25
Interesting Observation. delisen Saturday #28
It's my quibble too and it's not a little one. They are building these massive data centers everywhere and ratchiweenie Saturday #32
This massive use of power is a temporary phase. Ten / 20 years from now it won't use so much. Bernardo de La Paz Saturday #38
There is push back on these big data centers Deminpenn Saturday #45
But at the heart of the matter is that with all of the bells and whistles moniss Saturday #37
Fine points, but I was refuting the simplistic idea that "garbage in garbage out" means that AI is useless. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Saturday #40
Understood and I agree that AI is not useless but moniss Saturday #47
You big tech guys going to ask Trump for a refund of the millions of $$ you foisted on him? Bengus81 Saturday #9
it should be. barbtries Saturday #23
Good. infullview Saturday #24
Quibble: delisen Saturday #30
Lazy doesn't include you. infullview Saturday #49
I hope, after the crash, AI focuses more on stuff like this. Oneironaut Saturday #71
Please. Let it be a hard, hard crash. hunter Saturday #27
It will be hard Pachamama Saturday #31
Email was going to be free forever too. bucolic_frolic Saturday #29
The economic terrorists are working to destroy the economy of California. . Clouds Passing Saturday #33
Nonsense. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Saturday #52
Just wait and see Clouds Passing Saturday #54
I'll wait and see about things that are explained and not simply eleven-word blurts. Bernardo de La Paz Saturday #59
Call it following the path of past behavior. Educated guess. Doesn't take a genius to see where it's going. Clouds Passing Sunday #74
That is not the past behaviour. I'm not a genius and you are educated, so explain it. I don't see where it is going. Bernardo de La Paz Sunday #76
That is the reichwing trajectory, to take over the 4th largest economy in the world. Clouds Passing Sunday #80
I agree, the oligarchs want to tighten their strangle hold on wealth & income, but not that way Bernardo de La Paz Sunday #81
Everytime I hear of AI I think of Hal in 2001 space odyssey kimbutgar Saturday #35
And if AI suffers its demise... GreenWave Saturday #41
AI is certainly over-hyped Deminpenn Saturday #48
Very interesting article. Agreed: well worth the read. Thanks! . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Saturday #58
Venture bubbles are usually isolated WSHazel Saturday #53
The dot.com bubble caused a mild recession SamuelTheThird Saturday #56
This may be worse not bc of bubble bigger, but bc of Trumponomics in the background being propped up Bernardo de La Paz Saturday #60
This generation of AI is pretty limited. C_U_L8R Saturday #55
Also the data center issue Diraven Saturday #57
We are approaching that point. There is circular financing now Bernardo de La Paz Saturday #61
AI - A whole lot more canned hot air for sale. I suggest you read J.K. Galbraith's The Great Crash. flashman13 Saturday #62
I attended a Galbraith lecture in the later 'seventies and a discussion afterwards. hunter Sunday #75
Me too! Early 70s. He had the most wonderful and distinctive speaking style. flashman13 Sunday #77
And an incredible dry wit that would cut through the most inflated ego. flashman13 Sunday #79
Not as bad as the global bitcoin bubble which is sure to eclipse the AI bubble Glorious bastard Saturday #64
I suspect they will both explode more or less simultaneously. One will trigger the other. flashman13 Saturday #65
That's a very likely possibility. Glorious bastard Saturday #66
So our stock market is just unbridled bubbleism? mdbl Saturday #67
Correct! flashman13 Saturday #72
I can't wait. It's going to be spectacular. ❤️ littlemissmartypants Saturday #68
The bubble isn't going to burst (if it does) any time soon because... LudwigPastorius Saturday #73
It will be less of a national security issue if AI "research" (corporate exploitation) hits a wall of reality. Bernardo de La Paz Sunday #82
Don't want it, don't need it, would rather avoid it. discntnt_irny_srcsm Sunday #78
We've had a bubble and burst economy for some time. raccoon Sunday #83
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