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63. Trump and Putin

Reply to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Wed Nov 19, 2025, 10:29 PM

Nov 2025

They will be gone soon. Ukraine needs to hold on until then. Europe seems to be pretty solid with Ukraine because the Russian terror will be on their doorsteps and until Trump is gone they can't rely on the US to be a reliable partner.

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Exclusive: Ukraine expected to give up land, some arms under US peace plan, sources say [View all] muriel_volestrangler Nov 2025 OP

No shit! Ray Bruns Nov 2025 #1

Why do I believe the unnamed sources have the initials DJT? Ray Bruns Nov 2025 #2

Yup. sheshe2 Nov 2025 #32

Putin must have some real nasty shit on Trump RazorbackExpat Nov 2025 #86

Diddling Donny can't stay out of Putin's pants. Safe as Milk Nov 2025 #3

What if Putin's Bubba? BadgerMom Nov 2025 #73

Ukraine doesn't have to anything the US says. It is a sovereign nation. NotHardly Nov 2025 #4

Ukraine wants a security guarantee from the US. maxsolomon Nov 2025 #15

Russia had an agreement with Ukraine and had agreed republianmushroom Nov 2025 #21

Like many big powers they renege on their agreements...nt mitch96 Nov 2025 #24

I think Ukraine is disinclined to accept security agreements, as the... LudwigPastorius Nov 2025 #22

Quite true. However, NATO membership may be unobtainable. maxsolomon Nov 2025 #23

Russia opposed Ukraine joining NATO because it would have blocked them from taking the land for the future pipelines. cstanleytech Nov 2025 #33

Most of the NATO nations couldn't give a stuff what Russia wants. n/t Emrys Nov 2025 #48

Russia invaded Donetsk precisely to stop NATO extending membership to Ukraine. maxsolomon Nov 2025 #53

Russia's rationales for its invasion vary almost as windingly as a Trump diatribe. Emrys Nov 2025 #61

Helpful post, maxsolomon Nov 2025 #83

I can't immediately find a map of the situation in 2023, but if it helps, Emrys Nov 2025 #84

Well, I hope your optimism is correct. maxsolomon Nov 2025 #85

Their last security guarantee when giving up nukes didn't hold up so well SamuelTheThird Nov 2025 #26

Yes, I am aware. maxsolomon Nov 2025 #28

Please research blue-wave Nov 2025 #35

I don't need to research as I already knew about it. maxsolomon Nov 2025 #37

I'm saying blue-wave Nov 2025 #38

US security assurances are only as good as the word of the President karynnj Nov 2025 #40

What would Russia get in the deal then? Polybius Nov 2025 #59

What will Russia get? blue-wave Nov 2025 #70

Ok, so the war doesn't end then n/t Polybius Nov 2025 #75

it ends the way the Russia war in Afghanistan ended lapfog_1 Nov 2025 #76

That could take years Polybius Nov 2025 #77

then it will take years... lapfog_1 Nov 2025 #78

Ukraine itself is offering Russia something Polybius Nov 2025 #89

And Russia has already rejected blue-wave Nov 2025 #90

This is misunderstood. Ukraine DID NOT receive Security Guarantees WarGamer Nov 2025 #46

Correct. Emrys Nov 2025 #49

Ukraine needs to be in NATO or have signed legal defense GUARANTEES from US, UK, Germany, Poland and France. WarGamer Nov 2025 #50

Over the past few years, Ukraine has signed bilateral security agreements with a number of countries Emrys Nov 2025 #62

The only agreement that would blue-wave Nov 2025 #69

If you want to split hairs over the blue-wave Nov 2025 #72

All I have to say is, I get spanked for asking a question but, gab13by13 Nov 2025 #5

"linking this right wing talking point" - this is news, FFS muriel_volestrangler Nov 2025 #6

Posting 2 unnamed sources for the article because of the sensitivity, gab13by13 Nov 2025 #10

I don't think you understand what news is. muriel_volestrangler Nov 2025 #14

Hopefully, Ukraine will say "fuck that shit" Fiendish Thingy Nov 2025 #7

"give up land, some arms under US peace plan...... yea that ain't gonna happen.. nt mitch96 Nov 2025 #25

FU, Putin and drumphf! Slava Ukraini! electric_blue68 Nov 2025 #8

Again, like before, I say BULLSHIT!! bluestarone Nov 2025 #9

Handing Putin victory from the abyss of defeat CanonRay Nov 2025 #11

After all this, now Putin is allowed to take land from Ukraine just to go away and leave them alone FakeNoose Nov 2025 #12

Wasn't this same plan rejected a few months ago? (nt) William Seger Nov 2025 #13

The US should butt out and F*ck off. sinkingfeeling Nov 2025 #16

There's absolutely no way. LudwigPastorius Nov 2025 #17

trump kissing Putin ass. republianmushroom Nov 2025 #18

Why should they give anything up? They didn't start the war. Putin should have to pay them to rebuild the country. Vinca Nov 2025 #19

Rewarding Russia for its invasion? What a plan. Dave Bowman Nov 2025 #20

Trump cannot stop blowing Pootie Skittles Nov 2025 #27

Trust the Russians and any agreement they sign. republianmushroom Nov 2025 #29

3 Words: Fuck That Shit! Nictuku Nov 2025 #30

When will the world ever learn? blue-wave Nov 2025 #31

I approve this plan......if it includes arrests and war crime trials for a number of Russians. cstanleytech Nov 2025 #34

LOL, why wasn't such a deal worked out with Iraq and Kuwait? RedWhiteBlueIsRacist Nov 2025 #36

US Security Guarantee Nasruddin Nov 2025 #39

Nope. Not the right move. Russia go home and expletive you and your horse. twodogsbarking Nov 2025 #41

And what weapons and territory will Russia give up in exchange? WestMichRad Nov 2025 #42

Just say NO Bayard Nov 2025 #43

Now the population of Crimea is mostly all Russian womanofthehills Nov 2025 #87

I'm betting if Crimea was returned to its rightful owner, Bayard Nov 2025 #88

Am I wrong in thinking this sounds more like a demand that Ukraine surrender to Russia? slightlv Nov 2025 #44

Budapest Memorandum 2 paulrevere2018 Nov 2025 #45

F this "peace agreement." One sided BS. Drumpf has been in bed with Vlad for at least 9 years. Evolve Dammit Nov 2025 #47

This pisses me off. AllyCat Nov 2025 #51

As usual, Dump bends over for Putin mdbl Nov 2025 #52

Russian attitude..what's mine is mine .what's yours is negotiable! Playingmantis Nov 2025 #54

this is bullshit. ananda Nov 2025 #55

Be quiet piggy! bronxiteforever Nov 2025 #56

This all from Putin using his power over tramp 3825-87867 Nov 2025 #57

Reuters, old and established as it is, hasn't been the most reliable source on developments in Ukraine in recent times Emrys Nov 2025 #58

Be quiet piggy Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2025 #60

Trump and Putin JPK Nov 2025 #63

I hope Zelenskyy tells them to fuck off and Europe backs him ChicagoTeamster Nov 2025 #64

x2 Sam I Yam Nov 2025 #71

screw that SaydiTom Nov 2025 #65

Bullshit plan designed to appease Putin. He'll take the win and keep going. Martin68 Nov 2025 #66

What about that rare earth minerals deal trump wanted from Ukraine?? IcyPeas Nov 2025 #67

Stick it up your asses, Trump and Putin. Efilroft Sul Nov 2025 #68

Ukraine, Don't Do It! Can't trust US anymore Bread and Circuses Nov 2025 #74

Give'm an inch and they'll take a mile. no_hypocrisy Nov 2025 #79

I'd say Krasnov's status a a Russian asset "bothers" America as much as his being an "alleged pedophile." Miles Archer Nov 2025 #80

One word answer Botany Nov 2025 #81

"would be" expected nuxvomica Nov 2025 #82