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muriel_volestrangler

(106,226 posts)
103. In May & June, Trump built up a 4% national lead over Biden. By September, Kamala had changed that to a 3% lead for her
Tue Dec 2, 2025, 03:53 PM
Dec 2025

in the polls. It was only by the start of November that Trump had brought that back to basically neck and neck. And, given the electoral college, that was enough (he beat her by one and a half percentage points in the national election).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationwide_opinion_polling_for_the_2024_United_States_presidential_election

To think that Joe would have done better in the election than Kamala is a counterfactual of immense size. What is the story that anyone is telling to support the counterfactual?

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Fuck you, George. DavidDvorkin Nov 2025 #1
And then fuck him again. marble falls Dec 2025 #87
Maybe we cn give George a rest for a long while. I'm not ready to hear from him again. TYVM. CTyankee Nov 2025 #2
Agreed! Wholeheartedly!!! calimary Dec 2025 #96
Except jaymac Dec 2025 #101
Oh, FFS. tanyev Nov 2025 #3
THIS ⬆️ FalloutShelter Nov 2025 #6
Maybe he could invite James Carville for an extended stay Keepthesoulalive Nov 2025 #12
Gee, thanks George. greatauntoftriplets Nov 2025 #4
Ya think? 2naSalit Nov 2025 #5
I don't think it would have mattered. yourout Nov 2025 #7
Truth. The only way this could have worked was Bluetus Nov 2025 #41
I think she won. vanlassie Nov 2025 #50
Nobody has ever been interested in investigating Bluetus Nov 2025 #51
"There was no question Biden had to leave the race." travelingthrulife Dec 2025 #98
It was a lot more than one debate night Bluetus Dec 2025 #99
Agree. nt Blasphemer Dec 2025 #68
NOT! notinkansas Dec 2025 #73
I've seen him over and over again saying that writing that opinion piece was not a mistake, badhair77 Nov 2025 #8
this piece talks about 'steep hill' for Kamala stopdiggin Nov 2025 #9
Usually the Times of London has a hard paywall but I found the article here and could actually read it BumRushDaShow Nov 2025 #15
Clooney was Correct Florida Dem Nov 2025 #53
Clooney: Pressuring Biden to drop out was a "mistake" MLWR Nov 2025 #10
He was loud, but he wasn't the only one. soldierant Nov 2025 #25
Biden was on track for losing to Trump by an even bigger margin than Harris. MuirHero Nov 2025 #55
My heart sank while watching that debate. I think he did the right thing. CTyankee Dec 2025 #97
This is what happens when democracy is subverted... SnoopDog Nov 2025 #11
George is an aging actor in the twilight of his career.. agingdem Nov 2025 #13
Clooney would have been irrelvant if Biden did not have such an obvious meltdown at the debate. Bluetus Nov 2025 #45
It's taken him long enough to arrive at the right answer. Mr. Sparkle Nov 2025 #14
Does that insight include a recognition that you should STFU in the future since RockRaven Nov 2025 #16
That strategy was too late. It seemed desperate. bucolic_frolic Nov 2025 #17
Clooney...piss off mamajudi Nov 2025 #18
ya think!!!! AllaN01Bear Nov 2025 #19
Thatʻs it George. We are over. mahina Nov 2025 #20
I always thought you were too good for him, anyway. 2MuchNoise Nov 2025 #38
Right??? mahina Nov 2025 #40
Go fuck a cactus, George. You are of no use to humanity. lastlib Nov 2025 #21
no easy answers for their next candidate? Skittles Nov 2025 #22
Wonderful lonely bird Nov 2025 #23
'this lands squarely on the electorate' - - and too damned right !! stopdiggin Nov 2025 #48
F.U. LoisB Nov 2025 #24
George Clooney and his inflated ego Grim Chieftain Nov 2025 #26
Who gives a shit what he thinks or says? NoMoreRepugs Nov 2025 #27
I don't Grim Chieftain Nov 2025 #30
He isn't the one sufferring. LisaL Nov 2025 #35
Agreed Grim Chieftain Nov 2025 #36
The ego was astounding.nt BootinUp Nov 2025 #28
"It's rigged,folks." czarjak Nov 2025 #29
having absolutely nothing to do with the OP, or the discussin surrounding Clooney. - -(nt)- stopdiggin Nov 2025 #49
As in The Donald losing the popular vote by ten million votes in two elections? czarjak Dec 2025 #85
I have no idea where you are getting those figures. - but Trump WON stopdiggin Dec 2025 #91
You can't say "unfuck you" George. You own it. twodogsbarking Nov 2025 #31
Had Clooney and others been around moniss Nov 2025 #32
How did paralysis affect Roosevelt's ability to do his job? iemanja Nov 2025 #60
You missed my point. It was not a comment about FDR moniss Dec 2025 #77
I didn't miss the point iemanja Dec 2025 #79
Clooney and others engaged in ageism plain and simple and moniss Dec 2025 #81
I have a Phd in history. I do know a few basic facts. iemanja Dec 2025 #83
I give a crap moniss Dec 2025 #84
Insulting someone because they don't agree with you iemanja Dec 2025 #90
It is a general observation and not a specific insult. Unless of course moniss Dec 2025 #94
Harris was the right candidate WSHazel Nov 2025 #33
No shit ahole mcar Nov 2025 #34
He is no Redford. tavernier Nov 2025 #37
Too Little too Late. grockri Nov 2025 #39
I disagree. Biden was beginning to show sign of cognitive impairment. Harris would have been an excellent president. Martin68 Nov 2025 #42
why do I have a feeling this movie is going to flop SaydiTom Nov 2025 #43
Maybe letting rich people make decisions for the rest of us not a great idea SaydiTom Nov 2025 #44
How did Clooney make "a decision" all by himself? iemanja Nov 2025 #57
Kamala didn't lose, dammit. The Elon Dick stole it for his asshole buddy. rickyhall Nov 2025 #46
Absolutely Elon stole it annielion Nov 2025 #47
was so very, VERY clearly speaking in generalities - and NOT specifics stopdiggin Nov 2025 #52
Do you mean saying the vote was hacked is flim flam? annielion Nov 2025 #59
Let's see your statistical evidence. iemanja Dec 2025 #65
The statistical evidence is at ElectionTruthAlliance.org (ETA). annielion Dec 2025 #78
That is supposition. iemanja Dec 2025 #80
Yes. To all of above. stopdiggin Dec 2025 #71
No, I'm not implying that Elon confessed. annielion Dec 2025 #82
they ARE being checked - before and after stopdiggin Dec 2025 #92
Also to that very point I would relay this moniss Dec 2025 #89
and yet, said professor WAS willing to use his computer results stopdiggin Dec 2025 #93
You don't understand what it was that I described and moniss Dec 2025 #95
Biden's poll numbers were in the tank iemanja Nov 2025 #54
Nobody asked for his opinion then, and nobody is asking now. milestogo Nov 2025 #56
Too little, too late dlk Nov 2025 #58
I never wanted Biden to drop out if you look at my posts. I loved Kamala Harris still do. Demsrule86 Nov 2025 #61
I don't think it was a mistake. I think the Democrats had a better chance with Harris. The original sin(s) were Biden Fil1957 Nov 2025 #62
Because much like susan sarandon, he'll have to carry "it" the rest of his life. Buddyzbuddy Nov 2025 #63
Reality: Biden deciding to run again was a "mistake" PSPS Dec 2025 #64
shhhh progressoid Dec 2025 #75
Reality can hurt your feelings. thought crime Dec 2025 #102
This thread will be fun to revisit. flvegan Dec 2025 #66
Too late Buzz cook Dec 2025 #67
NOT SUPPORTING Harrison WAS YOUR MISTAKE MYSOGONSTIC ASSWIPE NotHardly Dec 2025 #69
STFU George dweller Dec 2025 #70
"pushing Biden out of the race was a "mistake." " ? notinkansas Dec 2025 #72
Did Salon botch the quote? From their source and others it sounds like he said the "mistake" was choosing Harris. sl8 Dec 2025 #74
No shit, George. Now apologize to President Joe Biden. He may forgive you but I won't. camartinwv Dec 2025 #76
No shit Randomthought Dec 2025 #86
Last week he said he might run for office. He's clearly pimping the attention machine Akakoji Dec 2025 #88
Make up your mind for goodness sake MustLoveBeagles Dec 2025 #100
In May & June, Trump built up a 4% national lead over Biden. By September, Kamala had changed that to a 3% lead for her muriel_volestrangler Dec 2025 #103
Clooney can't win with folks on this board fujiyamasan Dec 2025 #104
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