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rpannier

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3. I found this information about Catholic Priests and Nuns interesting
Wed Dec 24, 2025, 07:46 AM
Dec 24

Per the IRS, they're covered under SECA (self-employed), and not FICA (all clergy are covered by SECA -- per IRS and CFR -- Clergy Financial Resources)
No clergy have to pay into SECA if they get an IRS exemption. Which is probably the group they are talking about in this article.
But, (per IRS) they are not covered under SECA as well.
The most nuns can received from Social Security is 277.75/mth (because of vow of poverty. source CRG Christian Faith Guide). This is because of their vow of poverty -- Not sure how that works. I'm guessing it is about how much they put in through SECA because they make little money themselves, especially if you're in one of those vow of silence abbeys.
Teaching order nuns and Nursing Order nuns make more money and so they pay more into SECA. I guess that means they may make more in social security
Priests are harder to gauge. They, like the nuns (and all Catholic clergy) pay into SECA, unless they get the exemption from the IRS, so they are eligible for Social Security. I'm guessing that if you are a priest that belongs to a 'vow of poverty' religious order, you get 277.75 a month.
If not, they probably qualify for more. Being a cardinal, the amount of money they get is probably fairly decent-to-quite grand; I don't know what a cardinal makes, but I'm guessing it's more $1000 a month.
I could not find any place that said that Catholic clergy take the SECA exemption, so I guess they are expected to pay into it.

If this law is for members of the clergy who took no exemption, and paid into it, but never applied for the social security money they paid into, then it doesn't seem unfair to give them the money they're entitled to under SECA.
If it's the freeloaders, who got the exemption and never paid into it -- too bad for them. Personal responsibility and all that.

The group I worry about, and if it covered them, I'd have no issue with any changes, are those classified as 'Religious Worker.'
They are not paying into SECA "if your employer elected to exclude you." (IRS).
I am curious why their employer gets to elect to exclude them? Why aren't they allowed to make this decision? And, is this explained in detail to them, so they don't get blindsided later in life?

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Only if they pay in the total amount of FICA taxes they otherwise Deminpenn Dec 24 #1
Very true mdbl Dec 24 #2
I found this information about Catholic Priests and Nuns interesting rpannier Dec 24 #3
No, the text is fairly clear in most places. Igel Dec 24 #4
Whether allowing them to opt in strains SS resources or not isn't the issue in my mind... paleotn Dec 24 #5
Did the article say moreland01 Dec 24 #6
There are bipartisan versions of this bill in both the House and the Senate BumRushDaShow Dec 24 #8
whatever happened to "Congress shall make no law concerning religion"? Scruffy1 Dec 24 #7
If they want back in, then the credits start from the day Karma13612 Dec 24 #9
Why should they have to forfeit any credits they earned prior to opting out? MichMan Dec 24 #17
Absolutely, they should Karma13612 Dec 25 #20
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, Nigrum Cattus Dec 24 #10
Joel Osteen is so relieved that he can get SSA when he retires! n/t Jacson6 Dec 24 #11
The article states clergy received inaccurate advice. Raven123 Dec 24 #12
Then you gotta pay in. Otherwise, no, I'm sorry. Callie1979 Dec 24 #13
Clergy? swong19104 Dec 24 #14
Some churches offer pension plans for retired clergy IronLionZion Dec 24 #15
Sounds like a way for megachurch tax cheats to benefit JT45242 Dec 24 #16
WTF happened to their "objections based on religious grounds"? Either make it mandatory for all of them or fuckem. FadedMullet Dec 24 #18
I believe that the Amish are exempted from participating in SS MichMan Dec 24 #19
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