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Ms. Toad

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68. That's the general basis for my personal concern with the skin and tissue substitutes
Sat Dec 27, 2025, 10:59 AM
Dec 2025

I was in surgery about a week after my diagnosis (there were was an earlier surgery which removed most of the lump - because they believed it was benign). So the surgery was to remove the remnant of a very aggressive cancer, which had been doubling every 2-3 weeks. Turns out the most aggressive portion was the deepest (which hadn't been removed), so it needed to be out quickly. Even without knowing the portion remaining was the most aggressive, the surgeon was annoyed that I wasn't able to have it out more quickly.

I also had to have an MRI before the surgery to make sure there weren't any skip tumors nearby that just weren't palpable yet. (This particular cancer skips over healthy tissue - the 1 cm margin is because at that distance they get about 98% of any cells/newly established tumors which have jumped over healthy tissue into nearby tissue).

They initially insisted I would need to wait 10 days for pre-approval for an MRI before scheduling surgery (I was on employee insurance at the time). When pressed on the matter, after speaking with a few different departments, I learned that the Cleveland Clinic had the ability to do their own pre-authorization for MRIs. So that wait disappeared.

Because the wound left was about 5" in diameter, and they needed to be positive they had not only all of the tumor, but a cm of cancer-free tissue around the tumor, it couldn't be permanently closed until after a 2-3 week period for pathological examination. Pre-authorization was not required for the skin substitute - BUT - it was denied by the insurance company after the fact (and approved on appeal a month or two later). The surgeon would not have done the surgery without a skin substitute for that period of time. Since it was denied after the fact, I have no reason to believe there would be any different result had the review been done in advance, or by a Medicare AI-bot, rather than a private insurance review. That would have imposed an even longer wait period prior to surgery.

My theoretical position about this new imposition wouldn't have been very different - but my personal experience with pre-authorization (generally) and with one of the products in this list gives me a very personal reason to be angry about it.

My diagnosis was 5 years and 22 days ago. I've been NED (no evidence of disease) for 5 years and 13 days. In about a week, I get to drop from semi-annual surveillance to check for lung metastasis to biannual surveillance for the next decade or so. (With this disease, the frequency of checks start at quarterly, then drop to semi-annual, then (usually) to annual for the rest of my life. In my case, I found the tumor early, so my doctor believes the chance of late metastasis will be near zero after 15 years of surveillance.



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They really went after nerves. Is salvation through pain part of the plan? bucolic_frolic Dec 2025 #1
Steroid injections have kept me ok on my feet redstatebluegirl Dec 2025 #3
Me too. mgardener Dec 2025 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author Trueblue Texan Dec 2025 #11
I just got a shot in my shoulder LittleGirl Dec 2025 #12
That should still be okay. Igel Dec 2025 #17
Right? LittleGirl Dec 2025 #41
Exactly. SergeStorms Dec 2025 #42
Had that one too Bayard Dec 2025 #59
I get steroid shots in my scaphoid joint for arthritis. The list specifies that steroid shots in joints are not included Martin68 Dec 2025 #70
Same here Bayard Dec 2025 #58
That's what made Mother Theresa druidity33 Dec 2025 #21
How about a pilot program Henry203 Dec 2025 #2
Medicare Advantage is already set up to be able to deny claims for things that Medicare would automatically cover. thesquanderer Dec 2025 #8
Advantage plans are private insurance, and they should be banned from using " Medicare" in their name. OMGWTF Dec 2025 #18
I agree. Unless maybe they more honestly called it something like "Medicare Alternative" or "Medicare Private Option." thesquanderer Dec 2025 #25
Alternative Medical Services. cstanleytech Dec 2025 #57
They are literally Medicare plans, Authorized under the Medicare Part C statutes Ms. Toad Dec 2025 #31
The person you're replying to said Advantage plans should not have been allowed as Medicare plans. pnwmom Dec 2025 #63
No. They said they should be banned from using "Medicare" in their names. Ms. Toad Dec 2025 #69
Ban "Medicare" from their name ENTIRELY Seinan Sensei Dec 2025 #34
Medicare Advantage plans are PPO/HMOs, just like regular private company insurance carriers. Medigap is fee-for-service. valleyrogue Dec 2025 #75
Medicare Advantage can require pre-authorizations not required for Medicare/Medigap, thesquanderer Dec 2025 #77
huh? Skittles Dec 2025 #54
I should have said upcoding Henry203 Dec 2025 #55
AI prior authorization approval is already a relatively common practice anciano Dec 2025 #5
And it needs legislatively banned. benfranklin1776 Dec 2025 #27
Not just the Ai part of it, but the outside authorization mahina Dec 2025 #32
Agreed! benfranklin1776 Dec 2025 #60
But one of the main reasons to choose standard Medicare over a Medicare Advantage plan is to minimize a third party Ms. Toad Dec 2025 #38
"Healthcare" is an umbrella term that encompasses anciano Dec 2025 #39
Healthcare is distinct from how that care is paid for. Ms. Toad Dec 2025 #44
So? People pay MORE to join Traditional Medicare so that they can choose their own doctors pnwmom Dec 2025 #48
No LtTx Dec 2025 #53
Yes, they do, in order to get Parts A and B, which covers both hospitalization pnwmom Dec 2025 #56
Please show me who pays more for Medicare LtTx Jan 2026 #80
Buying a supplemental plan in addition to A & B costs more in general than Disadvantage plans. pnwmom Jan 2026 #82
And yet the govt is clamping down on prior authorization in Advantage plans pnwmom Dec 2025 #64
Brought to you by the same people who believe in ivermectin for covid Raven123 Dec 2025 #6
i've had the cellular. tissue application for foot wounds that would not heal rampartd Dec 2025 #7
Not from Rebl2 Jan 2026 #81
neck surgeries, knee surgeries, incontinence control, pain relief -- how very cruel, how very predictable 0rganism Dec 2025 #9
So delay and deny are what's in store for our Buddyzbuddy Dec 2025 #10
We have to move to Medicare for all and cover everything. ChicagoTeamster Dec 2025 #13
Our doc told us pre-approval is needed for what was our usual blood test AverageOldGuy Dec 2025 #14
If you are no standard medicare, your doctor is wrong. Ms. Toad Dec 2025 #36
Under an Advantage plan with an HMO dickthegrouch Dec 2025 #15
But this experiment is being done with Traditional Medicare patients, which doesn't require prior authorization. pnwmom Dec 2025 #49
Companies running this make money with every denied claim groundloop Dec 2025 #16
Death by spreadsheet OMGWTF Dec 2025 #20
Private insurance companies don't run traditional Medicare. ShazzieB Dec 2025 #22
AI "death panels"..... SergeStorms Dec 2025 #43
But private companies WILL provide the AI services performing prior authorizations for Traditional Medicare. pnwmom Dec 2025 #66
Yes, I see that now. ShazzieB Dec 2025 #74
Yes! You found the key point. That, and the fact that some of the decision makers pnwmom Dec 2025 #76
The whole reason Iʻm paying extra for supplemental ins is to keep the imperfect gem, traditional medicare, where mahina Dec 2025 #19
"Just reading our DUers here and the impacts this would make to their lives is powerful." BumRushDaShow Dec 2025 #24
This part caught my eye. ShazzieB Dec 2025 #23
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Don't You Mean OhioTim Dec 2025 #46
I know what you mean, but I prefer not to think in those terms. ShazzieB Dec 2025 #61
Doesn't sound reasonable or even rational Joinfortmill Dec 2025 #26
Does one need advanced approval to die? milestogo Dec 2025 #29
That's next... 2naSalit Dec 2025 #50
So they're creating those death panels that Sarah Palin warned us about WestMichRad Dec 2025 #30
Trump Qualifies For One OhioTim Dec 2025 #33
two actually - do his diapers require prior approval? RainCaster Dec 2025 #62
Deep brain stimulation for the treatment of essential tremor progressoid Dec 2025 #35
It's fairly new TexasBushwhacker Dec 2025 #71
I'm lucky (???) in that I'm already bald. :) progressoid Dec 2025 #72
I actually looked into the focused ultrasound TexasBushwhacker Dec 2025 #78
I'm on the fence about it. progressoid Dec 2025 #79
At best, it will delay treatment. Treatment delayed is treatment denied. SunSeeker Dec 2025 #37
It is not just AI needs to be destroyed - but the insertion of third party judgment (of any kind) Ms. Toad Dec 2025 #40
I expect this is being pilot-tested to eventually become a permanent change (with more procedures needing prepproval) BumRushDaShow Dec 2025 #45
I agree. Ms. Toad Dec 2025 #47
I know for those of us feds who planned to maintain their FEHB insurance plans when Medicare-eligible BumRushDaShow Dec 2025 #51
When I had a cancer diagnosis, I was in surgery 2 days after getting the diagnosis, pnwmom Dec 2025 #65
That's the general basis for my personal concern with the skin and tissue substitutes Ms. Toad Dec 2025 #68
The U.S. is the only modern nation without a universal tax supported health care system for all their citizens. It makes ShazamIam Dec 2025 #52
WHY?? travelingthrulife Dec 2025 #67
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Watch out!!! truddy777 Feb 13 #83
The only thing "Wasteful and Inappropriate" area51 Feb 13 #84
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