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In reply to the discussion: Apple is reportedly planning to launch AI-powered glasses, a pendant, and AirPods [View all]highplainsdem
(61,154 posts)44. Liberals are supposed to be good people, concerned about others and wanting fairness. That's all I'm
doing in opposing the nightmare of exploitation and unfairness that is the generative AI industry.
I don't know how much mockery/sarcasm you might've meant with that "you are a great person" line. I don't want flattery. I'm just trying to explain how much harm genAI does.
I think the legal and ethical questions around training data are complicated and still being worked out in courts and legislatures. Reasonable liberals can disagree on whether training on publicly available data constitutes theft in the way you describe. That debate is ongoing, and I support clearer rules, compensation models, and guardrails.
Actually, no, reasonable liberals can't disagree on whether training of genAI was and is theft. Publicly available is not the same thing as public domain, and never has been. Pretending they are is an automatic victory for the AI companies - which themselves are outraged and demand justice if they believe their intellectual property rights are being infringed upon.
And as a liberal, you should be well aware that both courts and legislatures can make unethical decisions favoring the wealthy and powerful. Which is what any decision attempting to legitimize theft would be. That's also part of why the AI companies have cozied up to Trump, tried to buy politicians, and are adding to war chests to try to ensure that politicians who want to regulate AI are defeated.
But I dont accept the leap from this technology has serious unresolved ethical issues to anyone who uses it is morally equivalent to someone who would support slavery or authoritarianism. Thats a bridge too far for me. It turns a policy disagreement into a character indictment.
It is a question of moral choices. Everyone who knows of the worldwide and continuing IP theft that is the only reason genAI tools work at all well, and of all the other harm done by genAI, and still uses it voluntarily, has made a decision that they consider all those harms less important than what they believe they gain from its use.
And by not opposing genAI now, you're normalizing it, increasing the power of the AI companies, and making it less likely any of the harm that's being done will ever be stopped.
Your wearing and using AI glasses is advertising for the AI companies.
Those companies offer many AI tools for free or at very low prices not because they're so stupid they don't know the freebies are costing them money, or because they're donating use of those tools as philanthropy, but to both hook consumers on them and turn everyone using their AI into ads for AI.
Im not trying to replace human creativity or help oligarchs crush culture. I still value human art, human writing, and human relationships. Using AI for other purposes doesnt negate that.
You may not be trying to cause that harm, but you're enabling it.
A lot of AI users fall into the "dislike it in lots of ways but love it for this use" category.
That's semi-ethical, carving out an exception when it's useful for you.
It isn't an uncommon human trait. It's why the US had founders who could write about liberty and inalienable rights and still own slaves. The more people around them who owned slaves, the more comfortable they'd be with that hypocrisy. They'd also find ways to rationalize being very unethical in that one facet of their lives. And hey, the courts and legislatures told them it was fine...
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Apple is reportedly planning to launch AI-powered glasses, a pendant, and AirPods [View all]
highplainsdem
Tuesday
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Because most people don't want to have to wonder if anyone wearing glasses is taking photos and/or
highplainsdem
Tuesday
#9
Ray-Ban Meta's are a lot different than small companies who put out similar glasses
Polybius
Tuesday
#10
Meta is planning to add facial recognition to its smart glasses. I guess you missed the news.
highplainsdem
Tuesday
#12
I don't believe there aren't ways to disable that light, or that it can't simply stop working. And
highplainsdem
Tuesday
#14
Btw, would you trust anyone wearing smart glasses and watching children to be watching innocently,
highplainsdem
Tuesday
#15
No, we don't have to tolerate people wearing glasses that could be recording and storing photos,
highplainsdem
Tuesday
#18
Google Glass was discontinued because it was expensive and the technology wasn't there yet in 2013
Polybius
Wednesday
#20
The reasons Google Glass was discontinued usually have privacy concerns at or near the top. Tech
highplainsdem
Wednesday
#21
Smart glasses don't create new surveillance, they operate within the same legal framework
Polybius
Wednesday
#28
You're much too trusting of AI companies and how desperate they always are for more training data.
highplainsdem
Wednesday
#29
You're right about one thing: distrust of large tech companies is understandable
Polybius
Thursday
#33
The formatting of your reply is very reminiscent of outputs from genAI. You're defending/promoting
highplainsdem
Thursday
#35
Thanks for explaining. And I'll accept your explanation because I would like to believe that people on
highplainsdem
Friday
#42
Liberals are supposed to be good people, concerned about others and wanting fairness. That's all I'm
highplainsdem
18 hrs ago
#44
You keep trying to make a fundamentally unethical defense of an industry built on theft that
highplainsdem
14 hrs ago
#47
Some Reddit threads on what people think of people wearing smart glasses:
highplainsdem
Wednesday
#30
To all those consuming morons willing to buy this junk, I would like to quote Jim Morrison by saying....
Crowman2009
Tuesday
#3
"They were a double pair of Joo Janta 200 Super-Chromatic Peril Sensitive Sunglasses"
muriel_volestrangler
Tuesday
#4
Google's brand of smart glasses, Google Glass, were discontinued soon after they were introduced
highplainsdem
Tuesday
#11
Yes! And it surprises and disappoints me that any Democrats, any liberals, would be okay with this,
highplainsdem
Wednesday
#25
I wouldn't want an apple product unless it was made of gold and given to me by cook
yaesu
Wednesday
#26
The prices are coming down, unfortunately. Which means that more and more teachers will have to
highplainsdem
Thursday
#37
Your words are true. Personally, I've never liked the idea that some students can easily...
chouchou
Thursday
#39
Besides the whole being an insane mass murderer thing, the Unabomber may have had a point or two about technology.
LudwigPastorius
14 hrs ago
#49