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Polybius

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50. I'm not rooting for AI companies to "win a battle against artists"
Sat Feb 21, 2026, 11:14 PM
11 hrs ago

I’m also not dismissing the lawsuits, internal emails, or aggressive scraping practices you’re talking about. If courts find that companies violated copyright law, they should pay. If lawmakers decide licensing frameworks are required, I’m fine with that too. Accountability doesn’t scare me.

Where I part ways with you is in the certainty. You’re treating this as morally and legally settled. Theft, full stop, etc., and anyone who doesn’t adopt that framing is enabling evil. But the reason this is being litigated in multiple courts is precisely because it isn’t settled. Fair use has always involved gray areas, especially when new technology emerges. You believe training models is inherently competitive substitution; others argue it’s statistical analysis that doesn’t reproduce works in a market-substituting way. That disagreement doesn’t equal moral collapse.

I don’t support “steal first, lawyer up later” behavior. If executives knowingly violated the law, that’s on them. But I also don’t think every end user of AI tools is thereby endorsing internal corporate memos or worst-case business strategies. Using a technology that exists in a contested legal space is not the same thing as cheering on corporate misconduct.

You’re framing this as a character test; that continuing to use AI means I’ve chosen power over principle. I see it as participating in a technology while believing it should be regulated, constrained, and possibly reshaped by court decisions. Those aren’t mutually exclusive positions.

As for Zuckerberg or any executive allegedly pushing boundaries in courtrooms, if they violated rules, they should face consequences like anyone else. That still doesn’t convert every consumer device into a moral endorsement of its CEO’s behavior.

I understand why you’re angry. I just don’t accept that disagreement over an unsettled legal doctrine equals betrayal of humanity. We can argue for stronger copyright protections and guardrails without assuming anyone who hasn’t drawn the exact same moral line is siding with oligarchs.

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