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pat_k

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74. Conclusion premature. Up until this latest accusation, I would agree that...
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 08:58 PM
1 hr ago

... what we were seeing has all the hallmarks of an orchestrated smear. (Not necessarily that it was an orchestrated smear, but the signs were all there.)

This latest accusation has brought things to another level. I suspect it will ultimately prove to be true. However, believing any accusation without scrutiny rubs me the wrong way. Always has.

I know I could be wrong, perhaps the incident didn't happen, but his admitted alcohol abuse raises questions. Drunk people are capable of things they would NEVER do if they weren't so drunk. This is not to excuse the behavior, only to point out that anyone with a history of alcohol abuse may have done awful things while in a drunken blackout. And not to "victim shame," but generally a person who abuses alcohol dates people who also abuse alcohol.

I'll leave it at that. The thing is, whether the accusation is ultimately proven true or false may be irrelevant at this point. The mob-mentality is in full swing. There is no stopping it now.

FWIW, I posted the following summarizing the hallmarks of an orchestrated smear back on June 5 when the NYTimes article came out.

Perhaps someday Jane Mayer will weigh in on Platner's case and we'll have much greater insight.
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Hallmarks of an Orchestrated Smear

I just re-read Jane Mayer's The Case of Al Franken.

Start with a drip drip, then pile on everything you can possibly dig up without looking past the surface. Release in rapid succession so there's no time for individual reports to be scrutinized. Cue outrage at "nothing terrible in isolation, but look at the number of them!"

The goal is to incite a mob mentality. Cue the pitchforks and torches.

It sure looks like some entity is orchestrating the smear of Platner following the same playbook.

Perhaps Jane will do an investigation of "The Case of Graham Platner." I'd sure like to hear more background on each and every report. I suspect it comes down to the same thing. A whole lot of smoke with no actual fire.

New Yorker
The Case of Al Franken
Jane Mayer
July 22, 2019

https://web.archive.org/web/20190829044419/https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/07/29/the-case-of-al-franken


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Guess we'll be seeing a lot more of Susan Collins... Marie Marie 6 hrs ago #1
What's Janet Mills doing these days? Vinca 6 hrs ago #2
She said to write her in after the last set of obamanut2012 6 hrs ago #3
David Costello would be a better pick. pat_k 6 hrs ago #9
2024 and Kamala all over again. It's a bit too late for that now. paleotn 3 hrs ago #35
Hope your wrong. I think there's time. pat_k 3 hrs ago #58
Being unelectable. Mainers aren't happy with her. paleotn 3 hrs ago #34
Way to go Maine! awesomerwb1 6 hrs ago #4
Excuse me... 2naSalit 6 hrs ago #10
My thought exactly. drray23 5 hrs ago #11
I grew up... 2naSalit 5 hrs ago #13
Hard same. I had a post removed for suggesting exactly this would happen. nt Blasphemer 5 hrs ago #14
This message was self-deleted by its author 2naSalit 5 hrs ago #17
Damn, 2na... COL Mustard 1 hr ago #70
Wonder if this latest one got a big check. paleotn 3 hrs ago #36
Seriously? niyad 3 hrs ago #57
I don't know for sure and neither do you. paleotn 3 hrs ago #59
I appreciate your posts and figure you're due some insight into my meaning. paleotn 1 hr ago #67
I understand what you are saying. But, as a number of posts and OP's, niyad 1 hr ago #71
I get it, but Republicans are extremely good at this... paleotn 1 hr ago #73
The timing is certainly political. hadEnuf 24 min ago #85
Hang in there 2naSalit! Cha 2 hrs ago #63
Thank you! 2naSalit 52 min ago #78
I believe her; I just wish she had come forth BEFORE the Maine Primary Chasstev365 6 hrs ago #5
My guess is that she was hoping she wouldn't have to... Blasphemer 5 hrs ago #15
She did. Just not with the rape allegation. Bok_Tukalo 4 hrs ago #26
Or she was holding out for more cash. paleotn 3 hrs ago #38
All the reason not to believe her. paleotn 3 hrs ago #37
She spoke to NYT for the story that broke before the primary mcar 2 hrs ago #62
So much for Maine. He's toast. CousinIT 6 hrs ago #6
I mean given his checkered past and the previous incidents drray23 6 hrs ago #7
I hope she has overcome her concern of being known as a rape vicitm Raven123 6 hrs ago #8
I'm not sure it was the media... AloeVera 4 hrs ago #27
More exagerated bullshit, ie. Al Franken LiberalLovinLug 5 hrs ago #12
So Believe Women is over sarisataka 5 hrs ago #16
Sound like... 2naSalit 5 hrs ago #18
Conditional on the truth. LiberalLovinLug 5 hrs ago #19
Has truth been determined? sarisataka 5 hrs ago #20
No it hasn't. LiberalLovinLug 5 hrs ago #22
Do you vote in Maine? yardwork 5 hrs ago #23
Do you? paleotn 3 hrs ago #44
Nope. Thats why I'm not telling them what to do. yardwork 1 hr ago #76
Nor am I. paleotn 43 min ago #83
You seem to think it has. From where does that info come from? paleotn 3 hrs ago #43
My quote is from the poster I replied to sarisataka 3 hrs ago #46
Glad to hear it. So am I. paleotn 3 hrs ago #51
I try not to jump on bandwagons sarisataka 3 hrs ago #54
That's a good way to put it. paleotn 3 hrs ago #55
Apparently. sheshe2 5 hrs ago #21
I believe evidence. Got any? paleotn 3 hrs ago #41
Women lie? sarisataka 3 hrs ago #45
People lie. Await the evidence to pass judgement. paleotn 3 hrs ago #47
Sorry no stock picks sarisataka 3 hrs ago #49
What do you want manicdem 4 hrs ago #32
Conclusion premature. Up until this latest accusation, I would agree that... pat_k 1 hr ago #74
The accusations against Platner are much different from those against Franken. yardwork 1 hr ago #77
The Democratic Party doesn't allow this kind of behavior,, Escape 4 hrs ago #24
He was gonna anyway if he won the election n/t Polybius 2 hrs ago #61
You have that on good authority no doubt. AloeVera 1 hr ago #66
I have had qualms (expressed here) from the first, but honestly, if I had been sitting by Molly Jong Fast hlthe2b 4 hrs ago #25
I actually see the timing as a positive and it gives her more credibility... Blasphemer 4 hrs ago #28
I would be curious to see what the NYT reporters say. Did she elaborate or not? Hassin Bin Sober 2 hrs ago #60
Platner needs to drop out this afternoon WSHazel 4 hrs ago #29
The ruling class knives have been out for him from the door. BlueTsunami2018 4 hrs ago #30
David Costello pat_k 4 hrs ago #31
Interesting timing. mzmolly 4 hrs ago #33
The Maine Democratic Party calls on Graham Planter to drop out of the Senate race. LetMyPeopleVote 3 hrs ago #39
Who would replace him? iemanja 3 hrs ago #48
Not Mills. Shenna Bellows, Troy Jackson, Nirav Shah, Jordan Wood are mentioned by NYT pat_k 50 min ago #79
I want to see other information. NewEnglandAutumn 3 hrs ago #40
I am with you. But I fear a specific accusation of drunken sexual assault goes way beyond the bullshit that brought down pat_k 3 hrs ago #50
What a distaster iemanja 3 hrs ago #42
Dozens of posts to this thread could be alerted on al bupp 3 hrs ago #52
You mean like how people can say almost anything about Fetterman? MichMan 48 min ago #81
*sigh* Blue Owl 3 hrs ago #53
They have options pat_k 3 hrs ago #56
Amazing all of this comes out when Platner runs and he is leading in the polls. Timing means nothing. AZLD4Candidate 2 hrs ago #64
Dems always seem to just give up when something like this happens Dangling0826 1 hr ago #65
So, you will only believe it if there is a video of him actually raping her? MichMan 42 min ago #84
pretty much!! Dangling0826 20 min ago #86
I'm getting these Al Franken fake vibes about this story kimbutgar 1 hr ago #68
I am with you. But a specific accusation of drunken sexual assault goes beyond the bullshit that brought down Franken. pat_k 1 hr ago #72
Platner bromeando 1 hr ago #69
Allegations against Democrats are fatal to Candidates pwb 1 hr ago #75
Rapists have no place in leadership roles Quanta 50 min ago #80
Every Trumpublican condemning Platner much be confronted on ignoring more, and more egregious, accusations against Trump pat_k 45 min ago #82
We are not going to get to the bottom of anything hadEnuf 14 min ago #87
Planter is the only person who can beat Collins duckworth969 8 min ago #88
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