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drray23

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1. Given the outrageous cost of the tuition I can see why they would think that.

Reply to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Fri Nov 28, 2025, 02:50 PM

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However, if you go to a community college, it's a different situation altogether. There are already 30 states or so offering free community colleges. If you are in one of these, it is profitable unless, of course, you want to pursue a career not requiring it like a trade.

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Poll: In a dramatic shift, Americans no longer see four-year college degrees as worth the cost [View all] Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Yesterday OP

Given the outrageous cost of the tuition I can see why they would think that. drray23 Yesterday #1

but community colleges in general have many more classes relevant to various 'trades', Jack Valentino 2 hrs ago #88

There goes critical thinking skills, right out the window SheltieLover Yesterday #2

Exactly. They will know zero history, have zero writing and critical thinking skills,... hlthe2b Yesterday #5

They will be gullible milestogo Yesterday #14

Not to mention history & civics! SheltieLover Yesterday #15

Critical thinking concludes college is too expensive leftstreet Yesterday #8

You don't need a four year degree for any of that fujiyamasan 19 hrs ago #22

Critical thinking is really a more advanced skill. Happy Hoosier 11 hrs ago #32

4 year college should be free. SSJVegeta Yesterday #3

I have a MS PCB66 11 hrs ago #38

Yet they are statistically more likely to make better decisions and vote the right way SSJVegeta 10 hrs ago #42

I don't know PCB66 7 hrs ago #71

Trust me Ive known a lot of really deluded highly educated people too SSJVegeta 5 hrs ago #76

It's easier if you can get people to want being poorly educated. Turbineguy Yesterday #4

Anti-intellectualism is a cornerstone Happy Hoosier 11 hrs ago #33

Yes, you can fool some of the people all of the time. thought crime 4 hrs ago #81

Can he get us a discount?? The Madcap Yesterday #6

Ummmmm...... Lovie777 Yesterday #7

The leaders running the USA into the ground Progressive dog Yesterday #11

Oh, They Teach That ProfessorGAC 12 hrs ago #29

I like to ask my economics colleagues if they have figured out tariffs yet Redleg 8 hrs ago #51

Beauty! ProfessorGAC 8 hrs ago #58

I was fortunate to have some good econ professors in grad school Redleg 8 hrs ago #59

Good To Hear ProfessorGAC 7 hrs ago #65

You want to improve your life and get somewhere, but it's survival-of-the-fittest up top bucolic_frolic Yesterday #9

I can relate to that DFW 16 hrs ago #26

About time someone realized most 4-year degrees are worthless Lettuce Be Yesterday #10

Yes indeed and it is a rational conclusion given the current moniss Yesterday #12

I don't know what a college degree is worth in the age of AI newdeal2 Yesterday #13

$1.5 Million Johnny2X2X 11 hrs ago #34

So far, AI can't really replace thinking. Happy Hoosier 11 hrs ago #35

There is job loss already newdeal2 10 hrs ago #43

In the age of AI, a Math degree is Golden-$$. thought crime 4 hrs ago #82

Congratulations, Higher Ed. You've priced yourself out of students! intheflow Yesterday #16

Prices are out of control... Happy Hoosier 11 hrs ago #36

Decreased state and federal funds... róisín_dubh 10 hrs ago #44

Yet, blue states don't seem to be any cheaper than red states n/t MichMan 8 hrs ago #61

Yes. I did mention Federal funding as well. róisín_dubh 2 hrs ago #87

That's 100% true in the state of Wisconsin. Greybnk48 8 hrs ago #62

Thank you! I used to work at a community college, and that was the case there. raccoon 7 hrs ago #66

That means that people do not understand murielm99 Yesterday #17

seeing how many college-educated people are complete idiots Skittles 19 hrs ago #23

C's get degrees. Happy Hoosier 11 hrs ago #37

Unlike Lake Wobegon where everyone is above average MichMan 1 hr ago #89

We're about 20-30 years late on this one Sympthsical Yesterday #18

+1 leftstreet Yesterday #19

Yes, What Trump is doing is wrong but I have a hard time supporting JI7 17 hrs ago #25

And it's an important distinction Sympthsical 13 hrs ago #28

I think you're wrong here.... Happy Hoosier 11 hrs ago #39

Yup, especially the last part. róisín_dubh 10 hrs ago #45

What's your disagreement specifically? Sympthsical 9 hrs ago #46

People need to be realistic JI7 Yesterday #20

There's no free lunch here fujiyamasan 19 hrs ago #21

Okay, there is no comparison mr715 8 hrs ago #56

I never would have gone to college forty years ago. Jacson6 19 hrs ago #24

Corporate and anti-intellectual propaganda marches on JCMach1 13 hrs ago #27

Yes. This thread alone includes enough content for a whole book on why this is true and how it happened. Iris 7 hrs ago #70

100%, with no dissing of trades. JCMach1 5 hrs ago #75

I worked at what people call a trade school - often called technical colleges now Iris 5 hrs ago #80

It doesn't help when the K-12 education is so lacking, that colleges have to offer remedial classes MichMan 12 hrs ago #30

You know who does think it's worth it? Johnny2X2X 11 hrs ago #31

Absolutely true, IMO Happy Hoosier 11 hrs ago #40

Just disturbing to me the anti college rhetoric that has taken hold Johnny2X2X 10 hrs ago #41

Agreed Prairie Gates 9 hrs ago #48

THIS Iris 8 hrs ago #54

What's hilarious is that the degrees now considered "useful" are the ones that were only recently invented Prairie Gates 9 hrs ago #47

I think you've simplified what the business disciplines are Redleg 8 hrs ago #52

You're absolutely right...it's unfair to have the discipline you work in Prairie Gates 7 hrs ago #68

Well said Iris 8 hrs ago #60

"I have a nephew who received a BA in Philosophy who works at a Total Wine and More store." Jedi Guy 9 hrs ago #49

Everybody has an anecdote about some student with a French poetry degree Johnny2X2X 8 hrs ago #50

It's not the degrees themselves that are useful, but the habits of mind that the holders of the degrees have developed Iris 8 hrs ago #63

Well yeah. Johnny2X2X 8 hrs ago #64

GenX got jobs with these degrees without internships and co-ops Iris 7 hrs ago #69

Not this Gen Xer Johnny2X2X 6 hrs ago #72

I think collleges are more intentional about internships and co/ops now Iris 6 hrs ago #73

Agree Johnny2X2X 6 hrs ago #74

I know this was starting to happen with teaching in the early 90s Iris 5 hrs ago #79

There were no internships in my profession and Boomers JCMach1 5 hrs ago #77

My kids have college degrees and they aren't making much ALBliberal 8 hrs ago #53

If we reduce everything to dollars mr715 8 hrs ago #55

If you take 2 years tuition and plunk it in Tech growth stocks bucolic_frolic 8 hrs ago #57

Just making the argument for Free Public Colleges JCMach1 5 hrs ago #78

If a student wants to attend an out of state college charging $60k a year tuition, taxpayers should have to pay it ? MichMan 3 hrs ago #84

As someone who has spent more than a little time in college classrooms... WarGamer 7 hrs ago #67

A better poll question as AI and Data Science grow in importance: Is a Math degree worth the cost and effort? thought crime 4 hrs ago #83

The Dumbing Down of America... BH liberal 3 hrs ago #85

It is hard to digest when it causes so much debt and even without college debt, salaries are still not great for most themaguffin 3 hrs ago #86