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In reply to the discussion: Poll: In a dramatic shift, Americans no longer see four-year college degrees as worth the cost [View all]MichMan
(16,410 posts)30. It doesn't help when the K-12 education is so lacking, that colleges have to offer remedial classes
People are taxed to provide a K-12 education, yet the educational system is such an abject failure, that many college students have to pay thousands of dollars to learn material that they already should know. In 2024, 25% of those Freshmen having to take remedial math college classes actually received a 4.0 in their High School math courses. Just what they hell were they being taught?
High GPAs And Test Optional Mask Poor Math Skills At College
UC San Diegos own faculty report shows a thirtyfold jump since 2020 in freshmen arriving with math skills below the middle-school level, raising concerns about admissions practices and student readiness.
A new report from UC San Diegos Academic Senate highlights something incredibly concerning about the state of higher education: the share of incoming freshmen who test below middle-school math standards has increased nearly thirtyfold in five years. The document (PDF File) describes an admissions system strained by policy shifts, pandemic education losses, grade inflation, and a widening gap between transcripts and actual skills. The findings are not coming from critics outside the institution. They are the universitys own.
And they point to a glaring problem at the heart of Californias public higher education system: more students are paying university-level tuition for instruction that veers closer to elementary school material. At the same time, academically stronger applicants (many of whom could have enrolled ready for college-level work) were likely turned away during a year of record demand.
Math 2, the universitys longstanding remedial course, was originally designed to address gaps from Algebra I, Geometry, and Algebra II - content California high schools must provide. But instructors during the 2023-24 academic year reported something new: many students could not perform skills typically taught in elementary and early middle school. In response, faculty redesigned Math 2 in 2024 to cover material aligned with grades 1 through 8 (yes, elementary and middle school level) and created an additional course, Math 3B, to catch-up missing high school topics.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/careersandeducation/high-gpas-and-test-optional-mask-poor-math-skills-at-college/ar-AA1QoHtD?ocid=BingNewsVerp
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Poll: In a dramatic shift, Americans no longer see four-year college degrees as worth the cost [View all]
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
Yesterday
OP
but community colleges in general have many more classes relevant to various 'trades',
Jack Valentino
2 hrs ago
#88
Exactly. They will know zero history, have zero writing and critical thinking skills,...
hlthe2b
Yesterday
#5
Yet they are statistically more likely to make better decisions and vote the right way
SSJVegeta
10 hrs ago
#42
You want to improve your life and get somewhere, but it's survival-of-the-fittest up top
bucolic_frolic
Yesterday
#9
Thank you! I used to work at a community college, and that was the case there.
raccoon
7 hrs ago
#66
Yes. This thread alone includes enough content for a whole book on why this is true and how it happened.
Iris
7 hrs ago
#70
I worked at what people call a trade school - often called technical colleges now
Iris
5 hrs ago
#80
It doesn't help when the K-12 education is so lacking, that colleges have to offer remedial classes
MichMan
12 hrs ago
#30
What's hilarious is that the degrees now considered "useful" are the ones that were only recently invented
Prairie Gates
9 hrs ago
#47
You're absolutely right...it's unfair to have the discipline you work in
Prairie Gates
7 hrs ago
#68
"I have a nephew who received a BA in Philosophy who works at a Total Wine and More store."
Jedi Guy
9 hrs ago
#49
It's not the degrees themselves that are useful, but the habits of mind that the holders of the degrees have developed
Iris
8 hrs ago
#63
If a student wants to attend an out of state college charging $60k a year tuition, taxpayers should have to pay it ?
MichMan
3 hrs ago
#84
A better poll question as AI and Data Science grow in importance: Is a Math degree worth the cost and effort?
thought crime
4 hrs ago
#83