Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Happy Hoosier

(9,318 posts)
39. I think you're wrong here....
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 09:28 AM
Yesterday

You said, “I hate academia, because they are not actually providing education and instead have become debt vehicles for our children and do not realistically prepare them for the demands of our modern economy.”

I think you have that very wrong. Academia doesn’t do that. The big business of universities does. The academics I know (including my wife) focus intensely on relaying transferable skills that have value in a wide variety of settings… research, source vetting, constructing and supporting an effective argument. Unless you’re going for a professional degree, it almost doesn’t matter what you study. It matters what skills you acquire. Lots of academics know that and structure programs to support that approach. It discourages me to see so many on our side buy in to the idea that college should just be a jobs training program.

Recommendations

1 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

Given the outrageous cost of the tuition I can see why they would think that. drray23 Friday #1
but community colleges in general have many more classes relevant to various 'trades', Jack Valentino 15 hrs ago #88
There goes critical thinking skills, right out the window SheltieLover Friday #2
Exactly. They will know zero history, have zero writing and critical thinking skills,... hlthe2b Friday #5
They will be gullible milestogo Friday #14
Not to mention history & civics! SheltieLover Friday #15
Critical thinking concludes college is too expensive leftstreet Friday #8
You don't need a four year degree for any of that fujiyamasan Yesterday #22
Critical thinking is really a more advanced skill. Happy Hoosier Yesterday #32
Agree - best English teacher I had in my life womanofthehills 13 hrs ago #90
4 year college should be free. SSJVegeta Friday #3
I have a MS PCB66 Yesterday #38
Yet they are statistically more likely to make better decisions and vote the right way SSJVegeta Yesterday #42
I don't know PCB66 20 hrs ago #71
Trust me Ive known a lot of really deluded highly educated people too SSJVegeta 19 hrs ago #76
It's easier if you can get people to want being poorly educated. Turbineguy Friday #4
Anti-intellectualism is a cornerstone Happy Hoosier Yesterday #33
Yes, you can fool some of the people all of the time. thought crime 17 hrs ago #81
Can he get us a discount?? The Madcap Friday #6
Ummmmm...... Lovie777 Friday #7
The leaders running the USA into the ground Progressive dog Friday #11
Oh, They Teach That ProfessorGAC Yesterday #29
I like to ask my economics colleagues if they have figured out tariffs yet Redleg 22 hrs ago #51
Beauty! ProfessorGAC 21 hrs ago #58
I was fortunate to have some good econ professors in grad school Redleg 21 hrs ago #59
Good To Hear ProfessorGAC 21 hrs ago #65
You want to improve your life and get somewhere, but it's survival-of-the-fittest up top bucolic_frolic Friday #9
I can relate to that DFW Yesterday #26
About time someone realized most 4-year degrees are worthless Lettuce Be Friday #10
Yes indeed and it is a rational conclusion given the current moniss Friday #12
I don't know what a college degree is worth in the age of AI newdeal2 Friday #13
$1.5 Million Johnny2X2X Yesterday #34
So far, AI can't really replace thinking. Happy Hoosier Yesterday #35
There is job loss already newdeal2 23 hrs ago #43
In the age of AI, a Math degree is Golden-$$. thought crime 17 hrs ago #82
Congratulations, Higher Ed. You've priced yourself out of students! intheflow Friday #16
Prices are out of control... Happy Hoosier Yesterday #36
Decreased state and federal funds... róisín_dubh 23 hrs ago #44
Yet, blue states don't seem to be any cheaper than red states n/t MichMan 21 hrs ago #61
Yes. I did mention Federal funding as well. róisín_dubh 15 hrs ago #87
That's 100% true in the state of Wisconsin. Greybnk48 21 hrs ago #62
Thank you! I used to work at a community college, and that was the case there. raccoon 21 hrs ago #66
That means that people do not understand murielm99 Friday #17
seeing how many college-educated people are complete idiots Skittles Yesterday #23
C's get degrees. Happy Hoosier Yesterday #37
Unlike Lake Wobegon where everyone is above average MichMan 15 hrs ago #89
We're about 20-30 years late on this one Sympthsical Friday #18
+1 leftstreet Friday #19
Yes, What Trump is doing is wrong but I have a hard time supporting JI7 Yesterday #25
And it's an important distinction Sympthsical Yesterday #28
I think you're wrong here.... Happy Hoosier Yesterday #39
Yup, especially the last part. róisín_dubh 23 hrs ago #45
What's your disagreement specifically? Sympthsical 23 hrs ago #46
People need to be realistic JI7 Friday #20
There's no free lunch here fujiyamasan Yesterday #21
Okay, there is no comparison mr715 21 hrs ago #56
I never would have gone to college forty years ago. Jacson6 Yesterday #24
Corporate and anti-intellectual propaganda marches on JCMach1 Yesterday #27
Yes. This thread alone includes enough content for a whole book on why this is true and how it happened. Iris 20 hrs ago #70
100%, with no dissing of trades. JCMach1 19 hrs ago #75
I worked at what people call a trade school - often called technical colleges now Iris 18 hrs ago #80
It doesn't help when the K-12 education is so lacking, that colleges have to offer remedial classes MichMan Yesterday #30
You know who does think it's worth it? Johnny2X2X Yesterday #31
Absolutely true, IMO Happy Hoosier Yesterday #40
Just disturbing to me the anti college rhetoric that has taken hold Johnny2X2X Yesterday #41
Agreed Prairie Gates 22 hrs ago #48
THIS Iris 21 hrs ago #54
What's hilarious is that the degrees now considered "useful" are the ones that were only recently invented Prairie Gates 22 hrs ago #47
I think you've simplified what the business disciplines are Redleg 21 hrs ago #52
You're absolutely right...it's unfair to have the discipline you work in Prairie Gates 21 hrs ago #68
Well said Iris 21 hrs ago #60
"I have a nephew who received a BA in Philosophy who works at a Total Wine and More store." Jedi Guy 22 hrs ago #49
Everybody has an anecdote about some student with a French poetry degree Johnny2X2X 22 hrs ago #50
It's not the degrees themselves that are useful, but the habits of mind that the holders of the degrees have developed Iris 21 hrs ago #63
Well yeah. Johnny2X2X 21 hrs ago #64
GenX got jobs with these degrees without internships and co-ops Iris 20 hrs ago #69
Not this Gen Xer Johnny2X2X 20 hrs ago #72
I think collleges are more intentional about internships and co/ops now Iris 19 hrs ago #73
Agree Johnny2X2X 19 hrs ago #74
I know this was starting to happen with teaching in the early 90s Iris 18 hrs ago #79
There were no internships in my profession and Boomers JCMach1 19 hrs ago #77
My kids have college degrees and they aren't making much ALBliberal 21 hrs ago #53
If we reduce everything to dollars mr715 21 hrs ago #55
If you take 2 years tuition and plunk it in Tech growth stocks bucolic_frolic 21 hrs ago #57
Just making the argument for Free Public Colleges JCMach1 19 hrs ago #78
If a student wants to attend an out of state college charging $60k a year tuition, taxpayers should have to pay it ? MichMan 16 hrs ago #84
As someone who has spent more than a little time in college classrooms... WarGamer 21 hrs ago #67
A better poll question as AI and Data Science grow in importance: Is a Math degree worth the cost and effort? thought crime 17 hrs ago #83
The Dumbing Down of America... BH liberal 16 hrs ago #85
It is hard to digest when it causes so much debt and even without college debt, salaries are still not great for most themaguffin 16 hrs ago #86
Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Poll: In a dramatic shift...»Reply #39